https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYCTOkrzRi8
Now, back when I was an edgy teen atheist, I convinced myself of hard determinism—right, philosophical hard determinism. So, what is that? It’s the idea, of course, that the world is all atoms; it’s all matter. Therefore, everything within the world is one giant chain reaction—it’s a chemical reaction, and it’s been kind of set up and it’s going in one direction. Okay, we don’t know what that direction is; it’s hard to tell what the direction is. But ultimately, everything, including the atoms in your brain, and therefore you, are all just part of this massive chain reaction. Ultimately, there cannot be anything called free will. We have this illusion of free will, but everything is predetermined.
Now, this is kind of an inevitable conclusion. If you believe that there’s nothing but matter, this is kind of an inevitable conclusion. There are some people out there, some copers, who will claim to be compatibilists and stuff like that. But I think, now, of course, there are different difficulties in actually predicting the future because we have constraints on our measurement, like uncertainty and stuff like that. But just in general, as to how the universe works, if you think it’s nothing but matter, it’s kind of hard not to believe anything other than we ultimately don’t have control over our own lives.
When I was a kid, I thought that was like a big red pill, right? So, normies couldn’t handle that truth. Right? That you actually, well, bro, you actually don’t even really exist because you don’t actually have free will over your own life. You’re just like a robot, dude. You’re just a robot who’s there for the ride. You can perceive what’s going on; you feel it, but you’re not really in control, man. I thought that was like a red pill kind of thing.
So, you know, I’ve come to change my tune for many different reasons. Firstly, of course, I think I don’t believe that everything is just atoms and matter and stuff like that in the first place. But looking back at that, I realized that, no, actually, the idea that we have no free will—that actually is a cope in itself. That actually is maybe the biggest cope I’ve ever had, and I can only now look back and realize how obvious that was. Because, you know, the reality is if you want to look at yourself as being kind of an automaton, that seems dehumanizing, but it also justifies your own mediocrity.
Right? Because if you can say something like, “Well, you know, I don’t really have free will; I don’t really have control over my own behavior,” that obviously makes you, in some way, irresponsible for your own behavior. It doesn’t actually matter. If the whole world is a giant chemical reaction and you’re just there along for the ride, and ultimately your will is illusory and you can’t control anything, well, that very much justifies you just kind of being content to do nothing. You know, not really having anything, not accomplishing anything, not making the hard moral decisions you need to make.
Now, I was reminded of this recently by someone in real life. I have to highly anonymize this, but I’ll just say I had a buddy who was having a problem in his life—not exactly his life, but in someone close to him. I remember having this talk with him about it. It’s like, “You know, dude, you got to get up; you got to get out in front of this, right? You got to do something about it.” Of course, it was an awkward situation—one of those things where he would have had to do something embarrassing and go out of his way to solve the problem. But I just remember telling him, “Dude, you got to do something. You got to get out in front of it.”
I don’t listen; I’m not even sure what you got to do, but you do have the ability to solve this problem. I’m highly anonymizing this; it would be actually a juicy thing to talk about, but it’s someone in real life. I can’t tell you everything. Either way, I just remember him saying something like this: “Oh, well, you know, I just hope God has, like, he’s in control of this, and I’m just going to leave it in his hands and stuff like that.”
Now, I didn’t explode on him at that point, but I will just say that that is a highly irresponsible thing to say. His attitude actually would have been highly correct and the right attitude to have—that level of stoicism would be right in a domain that he had no control over. That actually would be right: “Yeah, I don’t have control over it; I’ll leave it in God’s hands.” But, you know, that’s just not how God works.
Like, God, you know, there’s a reason that you have moral control over the things close to you; you are responsible for them. When you can easily fix a problem, when you can easily do something about it, who are you just going to wait around for, like, divine intervention? Who do you think? I mean, God sends angels to people; God has you as an agent. Well, you’re just going to use that as an excuse for you not doing anything? That’s stupid. It’s stupid if you believe in God, and it’s stupid if you don’t believe in God, frankly. It’s stupid on both sides of it because if you have control over something, saying, “Oh, I’m just going to leave it to fate; I’m going to leave it to God,” is just like beyond cope.
Ultimately, that is an excuse for not being responsible for your life. Now, anyway, all that is to say, if you have this kind of fatalistic, Calvinistic view of life, it’s just not very good. It’s not good because it breeds a kind of apathy. Right? It breeds this— even if you might say, “Oh, well, you know, I believe that humans have free will in a sense,” it breeds this fatality where you’re not in control of your own life, and you’re constantly kind of saying, “Oh, it’ll be dealt with later; I don’t actually have to do anything about this.”
I was very much in this position in my life; in fact, still, I still am. I’m still trying to exercise the parts of my life where I still think about things like this—this kind of fatality, this kind of, “Oh, things will deal with themselves.” Because the reality is, if you have control over it, if you have responsibility over it, if you can do something about it, there’s no excuse for you not to.
Now, there are some times where it’s important not to intervene in things where you might make things worse, obviously, and you have to have some level of discernment with that. But it just really annoys me—fatalism really annoys me. Of course, it annoys me when I have this sense still, right? Because ultimately, if something is in my purview, I am responsible for it. I’m not this kind of person, you know, even when it comes to other people and their decisions. If I’m near someone and someone is going to make a bad decision, if I don’t speak up, right? If I don’t make—not even make a fuss; I’m not actually about making a fuss about things that other people are primarily responsible for.
But listen, everything near your life, you have a say in. I mean, that’s all I got to say. The thing is, I think a lot of people have this idea; it’s not about being a strident person, but oftentimes, having a subtle influence on people around you—not a strident influence, but just like things get easier the more you stand up for yourself.
I did a video a couple of years ago when people were talking about the Holocaust and all that kind of stuff, where people were having to get shots and do funny things to keep working. The point I made is, it’s not that hard to say; it’s not that hard to stand up for yourself on something like that. A lot of times, the people who you are afraid of are very amenable to your suggestions. It’s actually easier to have an effect on people than you might expect.
So, that’s one thing that I—and the more you do it, the easier it gets. The worst-case scenario, like the worst place to be in, is when you’re constantly just taking life as if it is just like this giant chain reaction, this chemical reaction where stuff is just happening, and it just happens to you. You’re just waiting for your big shot; you’re just waiting for your golden opportunity; you’re just waiting for this, that, and the other to happen.
No, I mean, that’s just not how it happens. Even a lot of times, even if you have things easy in life, it’s because you’ve set them up; you’ve made plans; you’ve done stuff in advance. There have been so many times, you know, just when I’ve done stuff on the internet, I’ve procrastinated things that I really regretted. Once I finally did them, I’m like, “Oh, wow, this is actually great.”
Right? Actually, even like having my YouTube channel, it’s not too bad having it now, but I remember when I kind of had the idea of having it. I put it off for a good bit, didn’t do anything with it, and I realized, actually, it’s easier than I expected. I mean, it did require a whole lot of work when I started out just to get to where I was. But it’s one of those things; I don’t know, you just have a say over your life, and you’re going to have a different perspective when you realize how powerful your say is.
So anyway, the whole cope of fatalism is ultimately to rationalize you not doing anything. I think that’s really it. I’ve come to grips with that; I’ve come to grips that I was coping that entire time. This is not actually a video of me talking about philosophical determinism and why I don’t believe in it, but that’s really the social corollaries. In fact, even if you do believe in hard determinism, even if you believe in fatalism, and you think you’re just like a robot reacting to what people do around you, well, I guess now you have to perceive that I am telling you, you have to actually do things and be responsible.
Since you’re a robot, you have to do what I say, because I’ll bully you if you don’t. The Luke Smith that exists in your head is going to bully you if you don’t do the things that you know you need to do. So now, you actually have to do these things because if you think of yourself as just an automaton, a time-reacting to things, so whatever. Anyway, yeah, God has a plan for the universe, but the plan involves you. Okay? Like, you exist for a reason. But I don’t know; I don’t know what people are thinking. They’re just saying things that make things easy for them.
All right, so that’s it. That’s all I got to say.
@zipkitty - 2023-06-24 13:35:30
I told my mom not to buy the dinosaur shaped nuggies, and she stopped. Wow I DO have a lot of say in my life.+932
@THEDRAWINGSTUDIO1 - 2023-06-24 13:35:30
Luke smith makes a video on reducing internet usage then drops three videos in the span of two days. Gotta say I still love this channel+682
@AK-hf3pf - 2023-06-24 13:35:30
Youth pastor Luke out here dropping some hard knowledge on the youth.+342
@АндрійПенцак-к5м - 2023-06-24 13:35:30
After I struggled for 20 minutes in supermarket to decide if I want a beer or I need to do the right thing and not to drink beer today, my questions about existence of free will disappeared by themselves.+110
@abuzerdag - 2023-06-24 13:35:30
"You have to do what I say cause I'll bully you if you don't" -Luke Smith+144
@OscarFudakus - 2025-05-24 13:35:30
I too held that fatalistic worldview in my early 20’s and it absolutely wrecked the trajectory of my life. Edgy philosophical pessimism, consciousness is a curse, no free will, nothing really matters. It was a cope and a crutch that made it seem okay to not confront my shortcomings or actually try. Free will is so easily observable, its choice. You always have a choice and you always choose. Choosing to not choose is a choice.+5
@sasakanjuh7660 - 2023-06-24 13:35:30
Btw, the joke which kinda touches on similar matter: There was a giant flood and a very religious man was almost drowning, but he had a dream/vision the night before that god will save him, so he kept waiting.. Suddenly, the guy with boat came and saw a man, and started pulling him out of the water/on the boat, but man refused to be taken, since he was waiting for the god to save him.. After guy on the boat saw man doesn't want his help, he just gave up and moved on.. After that, couple more guys tried to do the same, but all to the same end.. Finally, man drowned, and went to heaven.. When he saw god, he asked so desperately: "God, I was waiting for you to save me, why did you abandon me??", to which god looked very confused at the man and said: "What are you talking about?? I tried to rescue you like 3 times.." I'm not a native speaker, so hopefully I didn't butcher it too much and managed to get the message across :)+197
@ChristianTheChicken - 2023-06-24 13:35:30
Wow the chemicals in my brain created a positive experience upon watching this video thus incentivizing me to do as Luke says. Science rulez!+523
@Bristecom - 2023-06-24 13:35:30
Yes, the Bible is full of God giving commands to us yet so many Christians cop-out by trying to give all their responsibilities back to God. My ex-gf would always say "If it's meant to be it's meant to be - if it's not, it's not" and give little to no effort to work things out on her own, which annoyed me so much because it's like, God gave us free will and we can choose to do things or not - it's not just going to always "magically" happen on its own. And of course Calvinists are the worst as they believe we have zero free will and that God is the source of all evil in the universe.+48
@cinemint-music - 2023-06-24 13:35:30
I believe in hard determinism, and am a Christian. However, I do agree with what Luke says here - the fact of the matter is, free will is often misdefined. Your will is static and be, in theory, determined. However, you still act according to it. God is infinite, albeit stable. If your goal is to walk humbly with God, then you can predict and act according to his will with a great deal of security. Circumstances change, but our wills do not. Come to peace with your will and do the right thing. God gave us our wills so that we could image him. It is an inappropriate response to see this, somehow, as an excuse to throw your life away. This whole "free will vs predestination" thing is a modern debate and was not argued because these truths were universally understood in the days when early Christians spoke Hebrew and Greek fluently. Modern, European sensibilities have polluted the discussion and driven wedges between believers.+4
@TheMacedonianGeneral - 2023-06-24 13:35:30
John Calvin been real quiet since this dropped.+185
@hyperthreaded - 2023-06-24 13:35:30
It makes no sense to change your own behaviour based on whether or not free will exists. If you become a slacker in your own life because you learned (or became convinced) that free will doesn't exist, then you became a slacker in your own life because you learned (or became convinced) that free will doesn't exist, not because free will doesn't exist.+7
@stoneyq4259 - 2025-01-24 13:35:30
I miss you dude. Was really good stuff. At least i caught up on my reading now lol+2
@sc_enjoyer - 2023-06-24 13:35:30
Misread that as "The REAL Red-Pill on Free Wifi!"+115
@_M_4 - 2023-06-24 13:35:30
Your life is like a sandbox. You can move around in it and shape some things, but your sandbox has limited space and is influenced by outside conditions. Thankfully, the internet was a big equalizer and makes everybody's sandbox bigger.+13
@byte-me-666 - 2025-02-24 13:35:30
It's ironic to see that both religious and atheists can cross paths saying there is no free will, even if religious people deny it saying "but God gives you free will to choose!" while they also believe God planned everything for us.+5
@ethanjohn7638 - 2023-06-24 13:35:30
"God has a plan for the universe, but the plan involves you". That was such a life affirming sentence, thanks dude.+72
@tallyhoman1996 - 2023-06-24 13:35:30
As a Catholic, I believe our free will is real yet relatively small, and it's not merely our own will which comes into play but the many wills including the will of demons. Our greatest freedom is manifest when we surrender our will to the divine will, God who knows us and made us desires the best for us but we have to walk the path. The end of the journey is really also the beginning, so we need to put our trust in God and not worry.+12
@flarfo348 - 2023-06-24 13:35:30
even if free will doesn't exist, as "organic machines" we're still responsible for making choices that are better for us and those around us. people just misinterpret not having free will as "give up"+44
@jordanbonecutter - 2025-05-24 13:35:30
Predestination != determinism+4
@speedyfox9080 - 2023-06-24 13:35:31
Why would you say no to the dinosaur shaped nuggies?+133
@OtherDalfite - 2023-06-24 13:35:31
When I was a boy my dad always kept soda in the house. I knew that if it was in the house, I would drink it. I told him to please not buy it. He stopped and what do you know, I dropped my soda habit. Haven't kept it in my house since I moved out, don't miss it a bit.+78
@Anton43218 - 2023-06-24 13:35:31
My mom does this with sweets but she hadn't stopped when I said to not buy them. It took a while but I dont eat sweets now.+12
@fsmoura - 2023-06-24 13:35:31
I told my dad he'd better keep the sodas coming, or he's gonna know the true meaning of family feud and I'm not kidding just try me and find out . . . (seems to be working so far)+25
@krsteon - 2023-06-24 13:35:31
@speedyfox9080 seed oils+6
@monheim9 - 2023-06-24 13:35:31
@fsmoura based sodachad, very carbonationpilled+19
@solitary-dude - 2023-06-24 13:35:31
sucks to have those nondescript nuggies, but i'm praying 4 u+7
@Wingedmagician - 2023-06-24 13:35:31
Movin up in the world+4
@ffdgfgff1849 - 2023-06-24 13:35:31
Snoot bros?+1
@gulaschnikov5335 - 2024-06-24 13:35:31
This is no logical argument against not having free will, if that is what It is supposed to be.+1
@supertrooper6011 - 2024-06-24 13:35:31
Bet ya missing those nuggies now+1
@zipkitty - 2024-06-24 13:35:31
@supertrooper6011 Nah, she still makes em, but I am 1 year older. Time flies...+1
@metapaloozashowchannel12 - 2023-06-24 13:35:31
Maybe he did one video in 3 parts?+6
@OtherDalfite - 2023-06-24 13:35:31
He's probably had these 3 stored up and just uploaded them all in quick succession+29
@GeorgeFosberry - 2023-06-24 13:35:31
Don't see any contradictions+5
@TheSolidSnakeOil - 2023-06-24 13:35:31
Don't worry, he'll disappear for 8 months soon.+19
@SUBLIME849 - 2023-06-24 13:35:31
Based+1
@solitary-dude - 2023-06-24 13:35:31
@OtherDalfite yes. these are all 12 yrs old at least+4
@damir9878 - 2023-06-24 13:35:31
Because people do not hear outside of social media+1
@АндрійПенцак-к5м - 2023-06-24 13:35:32
@screwstatists7324 If I was russian it would be vodka, I wouldn't be able to resist.+9
@slavic_commonwealth - 2023-06-24 13:35:32
@packmandude how much twitter you read bro 💀+18
@andrej4342 - 2023-06-24 13:35:32
@packmandude Nobody will mourn you+10
@andrej4342 - 2023-06-24 13:35:32
@packmandude sorry, that was harsh from me+6
@andrej4342 - 2023-06-24 13:35:32
@packmandude I am not from the US, where are you from?+1
@kurku3725 - 2023-06-24 13:35:32
@packmandude what else your mind is occupied with?+6
@spergius - 2024-06-24 13:35:32
bully Smith+4
@devviz - 2025-05-24 13:35:32
10:08+2
@crusaderACR - 2023-06-24 13:35:33
LMAO+4
@ak-1271 - 2024-09-24 13:35:33
I remember this! It's an awesome story!+4
@arturorochoa9359 - 2025-01-24 13:35:33
You speak spanish?+1
@arturorochoa9359 - 2025-01-24 13:35:33
I remember hearing a similar story from my uncle before. He is Irreligious and ironically re-affirms my faith in God.+2
@maxcaz2069 - 2025-04-24 13:35:33
ese chiste lo contó sandy+1
@wuwei473 - 2023-06-24 13:35:33
IFLS+17
@CorrectCrusader - 2023-06-24 13:35:33
WOW I LOVE SCIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!+36
@andrew66769 - 2023-06-24 13:35:33
Me when science+21
@rightwingsafetysquad9872 - 2023-06-24 13:35:33
But why are those chemicals positive?+12
@wuwei473 - 2023-06-24 13:35:33
@rightwingsafetysquad9872 dude your username made me laugh really hard.+9
@justadude8716 - 2023-06-24 13:35:33
@CorrectCrusader I HECKERINO LOVE SCIENZES!+15
@marusdod3685 - 2023-06-24 13:35:33
WOW TYRONE IS THRUSTING MY WIFE'S HIPS AT THE SPEED OF SCIENCE!+25
@ChristianTheChicken - 2023-06-24 13:35:33
@rightwingsafetysquad9872 They make me feel pleasure therefore they are inherently morally good! :D+4
@ChristianTheChicken - 2023-06-24 13:35:33
@marusdod3685 This is so hecking wholesome!+4
@justadude8716 - 2023-06-24 13:35:33
@marusdod3685 I wish I could give you some reddit gold right now+10
@SubvertTheState - 2023-06-24 13:35:33
Yeah. Science: 1. when something isn't readily obvious or inherent. 2. when a post-enlightenment authority utilizes carefully selected results from tests conducted in order to produce said effects in order to "prove" to those who would obey the authority when presented with the carefully selected results.+6
@NukeCloudstalker - 2023-06-24 13:35:33
It's funny how, all things considered, reductionism really is a giant cope to deal with the great unknowns (and possibly unknowables) when it comes to life, 'free will' (whatever that means - I have my own working definition, but I've never had anyone present their definition and found significant overlap, it's a vaguely and ill-defined concept to begin with, bordering on contradictory) and such. Just to cement the point on the phrasing itself - will is necessarily constrained, it represents discriminating about the importance of things to oneself and acting in a directed manner. Free is exactly the absence of restriction in this context - the ability to choose whatever you want. How can one have a serious, directed will to anything, and simultaneously have it be free? If it is not free in the sense of absence of restrictions on choices you make - then the only other option is free as in "free to choose from a variety of options, guided by your directed will, which discerns what to choose". In that case, it is self-evident that some people have more free will than others, simply due to having better access to information, options and even just their own mental capacity. Which makes free will a variant determined by both a mixture of options at hand, and how strongly one is determined to choose certain paths in life. Really, it's something people overcomplicate. It's just down to "do we have the ability to make decisions - and preferably as informed and good ones as possible". To which the answer is generally yes - but some people lack the faculties for one reason or another to do so, and those people are either to be directed to a good life, or to be contained one way or another as to not endanger the rest of us.+4
@sp00kyvin - 2023-06-24 13:35:33
I FKN LOVE SOYENCE!!!+6
@FinrodFelagund5 - 2023-06-24 13:35:34
It's quite funny how irrationally mad people get about the "Calvinist" view of man's will, which is really nothing more than what the apostle Paul lays out in Romans 9. Even confessed Christians can't let go of the idea that the choices of men are at the center of the universe and not the will of God.+9
@crusaderACR - 2023-06-24 13:35:34
@FinrodFelagund5 Ok prot+8
@worldpeace_2644 - 2023-06-24 13:35:34
Who told you that Calvinists think God is evil? They believe that everything we do is sin. There is no mention of God being evil.+7
@anon5075 - 2023-06-24 13:35:34
That's like praying for a bountiful harvest and not so much as sowing a single seed. Your field is going to be barren in harvest because God doesn't respect sluggards.+1
@anon5075 - 2023-06-24 13:35:34
@FinrodFelagund5 If you read the rest of the Bible through the warped lens of Romans 9 not being about prideful Israel you'll be confused, but you'll also be confused in Romans 9 because that means Paul loves the Israelites more than God does (Romans 9:1-3). Considering the god of Calvin made them sin, you can't appeal to justice as to why Paul wants them to be saved more than the tulip god who could save them.+6
@FinrodFelagund5 - 2023-06-24 13:35:34
@anon5075 Funny, your god doesn't save anyone.+4
@Forged_Faith - 2024-06-24 13:35:34
Very uncharitable view of Calvinism+6
@QuintessentialJenesequa - 2024-06-24 13:35:34
That thing is pro lavery plus an S and WAY worse. But christians just ignore all that and go around always telling people how great it is and they should read it -- but they never care enough to read it themselves and just cherry pick the pleasant ones. Most have no idea what's actually in there. It isn't great, it's disgusting, and almost none of them actually read it. Be a lot more atheists if they did. Ashamed to say, I didn't realize either how gross that thing is and was in it most of my life. I still believe in a Creator, but one that isn't live backwards like that thing.+1
@pepper5128 - 2024-06-24 13:35:34
@QuintessentialJenesequa Um, I don't think the Bible is as bad as you think, you may be judging it like it was a book written today, but it's been about 2000 years and there have been a few changes to how we think about certain things. Like, even slavery wasn't really that much of a big deal back in the day, more like a fact of life. Every society needed slave labour to thrive and survive, so it's a bit silly to judge it morally using today's modern liberal perspectives. Liberalism wasn't much more than a hope and a prayer back then, people just didn't have 'unalienable rights,' that's a very recent invention actually. Heck, Christianity was largely a liberation movement itself. At the time, the concept that everyone had a soul of equal value was fresh and new, certainly the Emperors of the time did not consider their souls equal to that of a peasant, for example. In a way Christianity is what allowed our society to exist how it does today, even liberalism itself, as in the belief that everyone has rights from birth, has Christianity in large part to thank for its coming into conception. Edit: I just want to add, I'm not even a Christian per se, but I respect where I came from and I came from Christianity. You did too if you live in a Christian country.+1
@KrutiliousKroge124 - 2024-06-24 13:35:34
@FinrodFelagund5 that’s Yahweh.+1
@Refresh5406 - 2023-06-24 13:35:34
Ftfy+2
@BenMordecai - 2023-06-24 13:35:34
Sorry bro, Calvin already addressed this in book 3, chapter 17 of the Institutes of the Christian Religion. tl;dr is that Calvin never made these claims.+21
@tbkswagg - 2023-06-24 13:35:35
@BenMordecai okay protestant+21
@FinrodFelagund5 - 2023-06-24 13:35:35
@tbkswagg Edgy+13
@Lycidas777 - 2023-06-24 13:35:35
@tbkswagg Non white+4
@Le-Toad - 2024-06-24 13:35:35
Calvin was french therefore fake protestant+2
@Demoniodg - 2025-04-24 13:35:35
@BenMordecai which 40k+ slop of denominations are you mate? what flavour of Christianity-lite edition do you follow?+1
@j.t.1280 - 2025-05-24 13:35:35
@Demoniodg crazy Roman Catholic polemic that's obviously false and has been rebutted countless times+2
@GelatinousSSnake - 2025-06-03 13:35:35
He's too busy boiling in the Lake of Fire for all eternity to care.+1
@BurgerKingHarkinian - 2023-06-24 13:35:35
The good version+7
@alionicle - 2023-06-24 13:35:35
what if phones but too much+4
@quagmiretoiletgaming - 2023-06-24 13:35:35
anywhere you go?+10
@mskiptr - 2023-06-24 13:35:35
@quagmiretoiletgaming the meme channel is a Luke Smith enjoyer!? I should have seen it coming tbh+1
@classicpinball9873 - 2023-06-24 13:35:35
@quagmiretoiletgaming hold up!+4
@wildcoil5171 - 2023-06-24 13:35:35
I would honestly watch that.+1
@bryced7126 - 2024-06-24 13:35:35
I was wondering when he why he wasnt talking about wifi...+2
@athianathian-reborn5664 - 2023-06-24 13:35:36
Catholicism rather openly teaches works along with faith. you can't have both as how you're saved or you only have works or the law which can only condemn you, you don't get rewarded for following law and only get punished for breaking it. most Christians get grace wrong and either openly make works a part like Catholics or backload it saying to truly believe you need works after and surrender you life which is mixing discipleship with salvation. the demonic have much less power over you than you would believe, there's a reason they use lies and not outright force. it's good to follow God's wisdom for the right reasons but discipleship is very costly and it's wise to count the costs, the motives and not to make this about works as that's our natural state of religion+3
@RolyTheHolyPaladin - 2023-06-24 13:35:36
@athianathian-reborn5664 this is a really underrated comment.+1
@miladragon - 2023-06-24 13:35:36
Exactly, he's assuming that determinism implies fatalism, which it doesn't. Free will is an illusion, but illusions are still useful constructs.+21
@YeeLeeHaw - 2023-06-24 13:35:36
That is cherry picking the issue. You can't have the cake and eat it at the same time. If you have no free will, you can therefore not make any decision; it's all determine already, you have no responsibility.+11
@shadowpixel42 - 2023-06-24 13:35:36
@YeeLeeHaw If it is not determined, then it is random. Free will is doomed either way.+11
@YeeLeeHaw - 2023-06-24 13:35:36
@shadowpixel42 If it's not determined it's not just random, as there will be an intent there. If everything was just random we would have a random world where all decisions would be random, which is obviously not making any sense.+6
@shadowpixel42 - 2023-06-24 13:35:36
@YeeLeeHaw My point was about the intent itself. As Schopenhauer said, "You can do what you want, but you cannot want what you want."+12
@YeeLeeHaw - 2023-06-24 13:35:36
@shadowpixel42 I don't get your point, please explain it more if you want. If everything is random we wouldn't be here, as you and me wouldn't be able to form a structured sentence among many other reasons. You basically still argues determinism but switched the word out for randomness instead. To the determinism point itself, I cannot see how determinism can exist as it cannot evolve, its entire existence is contradicting, and pure randomness without a low entropy opposite is equally as meaningless with the added caveat that it cannot exist as we are proof of anything lower than total random entropy does exist.+4
@houseofjax2806 - 2023-06-24 13:35:36
“We’re still responsible for making choices” literally the whole point is that you cannot. If I decide not to do anything starting now, that was quite literally determined from the beginning of the universe and I have no choice in the matter if hard determinism is to be believed. It is unreasonable to say that someone who has no choice has responsibility in an action. I swear, determinists never want to deal with the logical consequences of their own beliefs+7
@pepper5128 - 2024-06-24 13:35:36
@YeeLeeHaw in response to your first comment: there is room for nuance in the topic. There are many different iterations and variations on how people choose to think about Free will and Determinism, in a way, it can often be based in what your perspective is. I want to draw your attention to the fact that every opinion is a matter of perspective. There is a deeper truth under everything that even you and I could never hope to dream of. Though, that doesn't stop us from trying, because we're for some reason innately compelled to do so.+2
@jamesbennett5587 - 2025-01-24 13:35:36
One can't be responsible if one doesn't have free. We all do have free will , I don't feel compelled to type this comment neither is the choice or the decision to type and post this comment something that is outta my control. Something as little as typing a comment is an expression of one's free will.+1
@Ganerrr - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
physicists when their deterministic (⇒ no free will) model is foiled by better physics+16
@ГригорийДолгушин-ц1р - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. Matthew 11:12+8
@diegop.9461 - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
The fact that we 'think' that the 'correct' answer to a solvable-by-us situation is 100% on us to do 'right away' falls from cope to cognitive egotism. Obviously, this does not apply to all situations, but it is food for thought on this matter.+5
@Alex-yq2uy - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
Every based anon had to go through edgy atheist teen phase+193
@uncreativename9936 - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
I think it was Marcus Aurelius who put it like you're an actor in a play, in that you do have a predetermined role, but how well you play the role is up to you. Which is kind of similar to the Hindoo view of Dharma.+110
@RealCyberCrime - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
The nihilism in gen z is unbearable+18
@6ujkyujhrbdfgjy5 - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
Free will was confusing for me to understand as an atheist too. I couldn't imagine why a God would give us the ability to question his own existence. It only makes sense to me now that I've read scripture and I've started to become religious. I suppose it's the ultimate test of our faith. There will always be challenging obstacles in our lives, but as long as we keep God in our heart through our Free Will, we can achieve great things+70
@chaospacemarine8330 - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
"Hypocrite that you are, for you trust the chemicals in your brains to tell you that they are chemicals! Will you fight? Or will you perish like a dog?" : The Video+40
@degayify - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
wow ! wow wow wow! big man of knowledge ! love form japan, okinawa. best video+6
@mangokitty27 - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
personally it doesnt matter if its all predetermined or not, because if it is then all this was gonna happen anyway, and if its not i better make the best of it, so its best to act as if its not+5
@primepiplup - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
My generative AI model predicted you’d make this video+7
@Adam-kr7sw - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
I think believing in determinism like you described does not have to be an excuse for laziness. Believing in world events being a chain reaction does not condemn you from being venturesome person. You can gaslight yourself into believing your life is pointless, OR quite the opposite.+4
@elpachanga - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
I believe that whether free will exists or it is an illusion is totally irrelevant and the fact that everything is predetermined shouldn't affect our decision making at all. To me it is simpler to imagine that everything is predetermined but I am fully aware that I am responsible for my own decisions, it would be stupid to think that because there is only one possible outcome we should just sit and wait to die, that would just mean I was predetermined to be a fucking idiot.+14
@mathematicalninja2756 - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
I would argue that our own very existence is a testament to the fact that matter is just the surface level of the ocean of what universe has to offer.+3
@TheGiantMidget - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
Spinoza figured this problem out better than anyone i can think of. He was a hard determinist but he posited that we are all modes of gods attributes of thought and extension and that although we as modes are caused, god is not. God is infinite and therefore god is totally free. So there is a sort of free will but that free will is not on the level of the individual it's more universal. Spinoza said that a person can become more free by understanding the nature of god and in turn their own nature. By increasing our understanding we give ourselves more ways to think and through that we gain more freedom over ourselves+2
@HADESCROUNS - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
Make a video explaining what made you go from atheist to a believer+21
@SimGunther - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
Being free from something means you're confined by something else. That's life for you.+25
@alexandersanchez9138 - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
I remain a determinist. I never understood the argument: “your lack of freewill absolves you of responsibility.” It doesn’t; even if you don’t have magical control over matter, the system can still be pressured advantageously. At some point, we are lucky that there is air in the atmosphere, water in the oceans, and energy from the sun—without it we would die, and we had nothing to do with that success. Likewise, it’s good to remain grateful for your successes without absolving yourself of responsibility.+21
@tomh2425 - 2024-09-24 13:35:37
Thank you Luke. That helped as a reality check.+1
@Beebo - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
I think that this is an interesting take on free will vs determinism. I think your justification of why free will does exist highlights an important aspect of consciousness. Let's suppose that the universe is indeed deterministic. This implies that the atoms in the universe operate in a deterministic manner and thus the neurons in your brain are also deterministic, and thus your behaviour is deterministic. I think this is the wrong way of looking at the problem. I think we should look at this problem from a top-down approach. Even though the atoms operate deterministically, that does not require the human believe in determinism because a human operates on a higher abstraction level than atoms. An example which highlights this fact is that we cannot micromanage every atom in our body. We cannot even micromanage each individual cell. We can only relay top-down commands down the hierarchy from our consciousness. Although our consciousness may fundamentally be deterministic because atoms are, it does not mean the high-level control needs to work under the assumption that itself is deterministic. I think it's counterproductive. Regardless of whether universe is or isn't deterministic, you're always worse of if you believe in it. Even if you do believe in it, you don't have any control over the mechanism which produces determinism in the universe. I think a good analogy to explain this is like a MacOS virtual machine running on a Windows PC. MacOS represents free will and Windows represents determinism. Even though the virtual machine (your brain) is running on a Windows PC base-layer (deterministic universe), it doesn't mean you have to operate on the same level. Fundamentally you still are, but your perception is that you're on Mac.+9
@Ignas_ - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
@methane1027 So you're saying it's determined by quantum physics, not just regular physics?+2
@alexandersanchez9138 - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
@Ignas_ The "collapse of the wave-function" is stochastic.+2
@sanjacobs6261 - 2023-06-24 13:35:37
@methane1027 Even if you consider true unpredictability and quantum randomness, that doesn't mean you are the one choosing. This still doesn't prove free will.+5
@linuxramblingproductions8554 - 2024-06-24 13:35:37
Where is free will proven?+2
@Ganerrr - 2024-06-24 13:35:37
@linuxramblingproductions8554 psychophysical harmony+2
@linuxramblingproductions8554 - 2024-06-24 13:35:37
@Ganerrr can you explain what that is and how it exactly proves free will? The only thing i could find was a 48 page philosophy paper on it which doesn’t argue for free will but theism although i don’t have the time to go through the entire 48 pages. And besides that some reddit threads about it and forums discussing its validity. Btw i like your rocket league videos i didn’t think i would see you here of all places lol.+2
@Ganerrr - 2024-06-24 13:35:37
@linuxramblingproductions8554 the tldr is if one didn't have free will there'd be no reason, say, eating chocolate" would be enjoyable. If there was no free will, even if it was indescribably painful, you would just eat it anyway. The only way for your actions to align with the corresponding emotions/feelings is that the thing that subjectively perceives sensation also gets to make actual decisions. Also thanks!+1
@linuxramblingproductions8554 - 2024-06-24 13:35:37
@Ganerrr our brains liking certain things doesn’t necessarily mean free will. I mean you can in fact choose to eat the chocolate but you don’t have the ability to choose if you want to eat the chocolate for instance. I do think we get to make decisions but I think biology could be another explanation for why we make those decisions in a kind of determining our will.+2
@linuxramblingproductions8554 - 2024-06-24 13:35:37
@Ganerrr Plus if we experienced different emotions/feelings we would still think they align this same way because that would be the norm. For instance if we smelled cheese every time we hit our head on something that would seem perfectly normal even though from our perspective it isn’t since we don’t live in a world like that. We could still say this aligns because from a different perspective those emotions align perfectly even if they don’t to us+2
@Ganerrr - 2024-06-24 13:35:37
@linuxramblingproductions8554 if you smelled cheese if you bonked your head it would be confusing why you go out of your way to not bonk your head. Emotions/feelings being positive/negative generally align with their utility. If you felt terrible doing something like eating food, and you didn't have free will, you would eat food but consistently suffer when you do. We don't see this however, so clearly the subjective emotions we feel actually contribute to the actions we take+2
@linuxramblingproductions8554 - 2024-06-24 13:35:37
@Ganerrr oh okay i think i get it but doesn’t that happen anyway for instance people often hate doing certain drugs and feel horrible from them but keep doing it anyway thats afaik how addiction works. The other thing is how is it necessarily free when we can’t control what we like? Thats part of my initial objection since we can choose to eat the chocolate if we like it or not. But we can’t choose if we liked it to begin with. I never consciously chose to like chocolate. However if i hated it I wouldn’t eat it. Me liking it makes me more likely to eat it. So what determines if i eat it is me liking it but i didn’t choose whether i liked it or not.+2
@tsurugi5 - 2023-06-24 13:35:38
>anon go back+27
@c4call - 2023-06-24 13:35:38
I guess im not an anon anyway, but I went from christian to essentially pagan with natural deterministic perception. High level of personal responsibility. You're responsible not only for how you react to circumstances, but also responsible for the circumstances themselves.+2
@Black_pearl_adrift - 2024-10-24 13:35:38
It’s a necessary phase+1
@TheMinskyTerrorist - 2024-10-24 13:35:38
No they didn't+2
@Assault_Butter_Knife - 2023-06-24 13:35:38
yea exactly I find it a bit weird how dismissive Luke was of what he said was 'cope' in trying to find consolidation between free will and determinism, because to me at least it is just as obvious that we have free will as it is that there are external factors that limit or influence it. There is more to our decision making that what we consciously are aware of and no doubt our lived experience, upbringing and maybe even genetics play a role have an effect we may not necessarily be aware of at the time+10
@J-Ton - 2023-06-24 13:35:38
The Hindoos also believe in quite a lot of dark pagan ideas, including the idea that the great mind of humanity can shape reality+2
@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் - 2024-06-24 13:35:38
@J-Ton No we don't, and we're not pagan, Christians are pagan.+4
@J-Ton - 2024-06-24 13:35:38
@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் Yes you do and you misunderstand the very words you use (or are fine using them to mislead).+3
@PhunkMasterFlex - 2024-06-24 13:35:38
@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் Cope. Repent and submit to Rome.+4
@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் - 2024-06-24 13:35:38
@PhunkMasterFlex Rome fell because it adopted an Arabian religion. We created our own religion, you can't say that about yourself. The religion that you treasure so much is Arabian, not European.+4
@EidolonKaos - 2024-12-24 13:35:38
@Assault_Butter_Knife exactly, a common mistake people make in these discussions is assuming people who believe in free will mean "maximally free with zero constraints." Not even most people who believe in magick with a k believe they have no constraints.+2
@dusk6159 - 2024-12-24 13:35:38
@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் The arabs expanded and k o l o gn i a li ze d the region later, but besides that the religion you're talking about is levantine to begin with.+1
@andrew66769 - 2023-06-24 13:35:39
Denominations have different spins on this. Some just believe we don't have a free will. Others believe God gave us a free will because God wants us to love him, and programming something to love you isn't truly love. Someone has to be able to not love you but still choose to. Once you really dive into all the different denominations there's basically one for any possible interpretation one could have/want.+3
@athianathian-reborn5664 - 2023-06-24 13:35:39
@AustinTexasGardening you have a choice to believe or reject the gospel by faith. to believe Christ died for sins is enough to be saved through grace by faith. if you take the Calvinist standpoint you cannot be sure YOU didn't will yourself to faith and thus it's invalid and the Bible never talks about this distinction. Acts 16:29-31 Then he called for a light, ran in, and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” anytime someone asks what to do to be saved the answer is BELIEVE. it's a choice and any other interpretation than what the bible says to be saved causes confusion, doubt, and that is not of God who makes it simple so children can be saved let alone grown men.+2
@your-mom-irl - 2023-06-24 13:35:39
@athianathian-reborn5664 imagine being so annoying you decide to go around telling people they are going to hell because they don't really believe through real faith only fake forced faith lmao.+2
@user-or4ut2qi3q - 2023-06-24 13:35:39
@andrew66769 and yet there is only one truth, most of the things that people dispute don't affect salvation, but Calvinists skate on very thin ice. I would not call a Calvinist a brother, and I would not have fellowship with them or enter their house/let them in mine, just as the Bible teaches us. The same as Mormons or Jehovah's witnesses. "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds." 2 John 1:9-11 "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us." 2 Thessalonians 3:6+3
@andrew66769 - 2023-06-24 13:35:39
@user-or4ut2qi3q Look I get it. I belong to a free-will denom. Those KJV verses or whatever version they're from are so rough to read lol. ESV should be the standard for quoting imo.+3
@athianathian-reborn5664 - 2023-06-24 13:35:39
@AustinTexasGardening you're choosing to reject right now for another gospel that preaches persevering which is a work to the end, you're trusting that and not Christ. you're literally proving that you can reject the gospel with free will and that others have accepted it of free will as they HEARD the TRUE GOSPEL. Calvinism is arrogance and believing you were chosen by God, it's literally just white Hebrew Israelite stuff. God gave his son so the world would not perish, not just the elect. that limits the atonement of Christ and makes it rather unnecessary if he didn't die for the ungodly and ALL sin so ALL might believe.+3
@user-or4ut2qi3q - 2023-06-24 13:35:39
@andrew66769 yes they are from the KJV. I use it because my local church uses it and I find it to be trustworthy. I found it very hard to read at first though. One benefit of the KJV is that it preserves some meaning absent in other versions. For example, the difference between ye and you (plural) and thee and thou (singular). This is something which we don't have in English anymore. KJV is actually written in the same English we speak now, the language has just become simpler over time.+1
@user-or4ut2qi3q - 2023-06-24 13:35:39
@andrew66769 KJV is definitely not for a new believer though. Would be too much of an obstacle. I would hand out ESV bibles to curious people, since the last person I gave a KJV bible to became discouraged.+1
@athianathian-reborn5664 - 2023-06-24 13:35:39
@user-or4ut2qi3q most other translations put works into the bible implying salvation is a process a man carries out until death, or a work. most who rely on other translations than the KJV believe in works and these translations pervert the gospel very frequently.+3
@andrew66769 - 2023-06-24 13:35:39
@user-or4ut2qi3q For me it's just a preference thing. The KJV is without a piece of history that should be preserved, however there's a lot of detraction from it due to lack of sources used to write it compared to modern day translations (and the whole thing about their being some lines of scripture that apparently don't actually exist). Personally I hop back and forth between different versions. My Bible app prefers NASB. The beautiful bible I was gifted is NLT, and I often cite things in ESV or NIV. KJV and NET when combined are the best advanced study versions imo (especially a good quality NET book)+1
@EidolonKaos - 2024-12-24 13:35:39
@andrew66769 this also solves the problem of evil, if you want a person to meaningfully choose you they must be able to reject you. Maybe we're not in the first world that was created, maybe there was another one where humans had awareness but not freedom.+1
@arsenal4444 - 2023-06-24 13:35:39
poetry+10
@chocolateneko9912 - 2023-06-24 13:35:40
There is a livestream clip of him talking about that, I'll link it+8
@mortrix9711 - 2023-06-24 13:35:40
@chocolateneko9912 good luck linking on YT+1
@chocolateneko9912 - 2023-06-24 13:35:40
@mortrix9711 does it not work anymore?+1
@Sever3dHead - 2023-06-24 13:35:40
@chocolateneko9912 nah+1
@chocolateneko9912 - 2023-06-24 13:35:40
@Sever3dHead oh my bad I wasnt aware, I'll type the title so they can copy paste it to find the clip+1
@chocolateneko9912 - 2023-06-24 13:35:40
Luke smith talks about his journey to faith+3
@chocolateneko9912 - 2023-06-24 13:35:40
^ thats the title, I hope that helps/works+2
@MrPianoMatt12 - 2023-06-24 13:35:40
@chocolateneko9912 not him but thanks+1
@chocolateneko9912 - 2023-06-24 13:35:40
@MrPianoMatt12 👍+1
@exnihilonihilfit6316 - 2024-06-24 13:35:40
Hater of the law of identity. I'm so sorry you have nature. boohoo+1
@Thematic2177 - 2023-06-24 13:35:40
How can "the system" be "pressured" if you don't have control over matter?+12
@alexandersanchez9138 - 2023-06-24 13:35:40
@Thematic2177 It self-organizes to minimize energy loss. That ends up feeling like agents choosing a policy--and, at that level, the agents can exert pressure by introducing weights into a static evaluation function.+2
@alexandersanchez9138 - 2023-06-24 13:35:40
@Zealy Why? Who is the "you" you refer to? It makes sense to assign moral responsibility to the matter, even if you absolve moral responsibility for the "soul." That is, your mind and body are not absolved of responsibility precisely because they are physical. You can absolve the soul of moral responsibility, so long as you maintain the distinction from the mind.+3
@alexandersanchez9138 - 2023-06-24 13:35:40
@Zealy You're free to define "moral responsibility" as exactly that which is excluded by hard determinism. However, I'm trying to argue that you get something basically exactly as good for anything you'd want without freewill. You can recapture all of the essential properties of an intensional "moral" situation by looking at the associated extensional, ethical scenario. For this reason, I don't think the determinism/freewill debate is material or even that interesting. In particular, volcanoes don't have minds and so it doesn't make sense to give it a fine because it isn't going to change its behavior as a result. On the other hand, a person who commits a crime (ostensibly) has a mind, and so you can exert pressure to disincentivize the relevant behavior, etc. etc. As intelligent agents, part of an appropriate response to other agents' behavior is to update our own internal models of those other agents. That includes some kind of heuristic for a "morality" score. However, that's equally well described via an appropriate "ethical integrity" score. Not only am I unable to see the difference between a person with freewill and a person without, I can't even tell the difference between a person who believes in freewill and one who doesn't.+2
@bennyredpilled5455 - 2023-06-24 13:35:40
Jay Dyer is laughing so hard right now+2
@linuxramblingproductions8554 - 2024-06-24 13:35:40
Further issue is that its not a rejection from fact its cause he doesn’t like the implication. So it wrong cause he no like+1
@exnihilonihilfit6316 - 2024-06-24 13:35:41
Pragmatism is wrong. Pascal's wager is a bad method.+4
@JDStone20 - 2023-06-24 13:35:41
People don't want respsonsiblity, responsibitity is hard.+3
@seth7838 - 2023-06-24 13:35:41
I read the title as "The REAL red-pill on free wifi!"+9
@principleshipcoleoid8095 - 2023-06-24 13:35:41
Just because universe is pre determined does not mean your fate is not to do great things.+11
@bakters - 2023-06-24 13:35:41
"I used to think philosophy made sense, then I grew up."+36
@ianc8266 - 2023-06-24 13:35:41
Simplest way to phrase this: who cares whether your actions are predetermined when thinking as though they're not makes your life better?+3
@kirglow4639 - 2024-12-24 13:35:41
Free will doesn't exist, but that doesn't mean I'm not in control of my life+3
@Haydxn_P - 2023-06-24 13:35:41
be stoic in places you cant control and active in the parts that you can+2
@alm148 - 2023-06-24 13:35:41
Thanks+1
@Megatomicdoragon - 2024-10-24 13:35:41
You make a judgement on what is good to believe, but determinism was never about what it is good to believe but what appears to be true. You can say it's an excuse but if it is true thinking that mindset is cringe is just another set of causes and conditions you have manifested. Determinism is useful to recognize because it eliminates the problem of free will as well. It saves mental energy that can be put towards fulfilling the path we have set for us.+4
@me-fp3cg - 2023-06-24 13:35:41
No, hard determinism doesn't lead to fatalism, humans still have the unique capacity to discern and act upon what's right even if it's painful, but this isn't actually "free will". What is the utility of hard determinism? It emphasizes mind-body monoism and cuts through the egoism inherent to belief that humans are the only material (read: actually existing) beings with an immortal soul. But, even if hard determinism absolutely led to fatalism there'd still be the problem of it being true, as true beliefs are not easy to exorcise even if doing so would be for good practical reasons.+3
@KainiaKaria - 2023-06-24 13:35:41
Because someone is free to say and or do a thing does not mean that it serves their freedoms and the freedoms of others. People tend to forget about how personal responsibility plays a role in freedom. All because one finds redemption does not mean that what has been said or even done is forgotten. You of all will remember that for the rest of your life. So often do people also give account of their crimes. People move on after mistreating you. They’re not sitting up in a room somewhere thinking about you. Most of the time they move on and live perfectly fine after doing you dirty. It’s time you release yourself from the shackles of waiting for someone to regret how they treated you. Whoever has no rule over his own spirit is like a city broken down, without walls. The wise understand this and thus hold restraint on their words and their actions. Krishna asked what is action and what is inaction? This very question has confused sages. The true nature of action is difficult for many to grasp. The love of wisdom is surely greater than the love of material things. To be around those who espouse great and profound wisdom of the One. We all must understand what is action and what is inaction, and what kind of action should be avoided. The wise see that there is action in the midst of inaction and inaction in the midst of action. Just take note of how pithy that is. Where was stuff of this nature in my life? For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Those are words of an extremely wise man. It is funny how people don’t listen to wisdom. People act and or speak with little to no consideration for others and you see how quickly freedom is cast to the wayside. How quickly wisdom is forgotten. People are far too interested in sniffing their own farts and eating their own poop. Both works of a sick and depraved mind. People lean on their own understanding of things for which they lack understanding on. That is very much a condemnation of people. Krishna said that one is understood to be in full knowledge whose every act is devoid of desire for sense gratification. He is said by sages to be a worker whose fruitive action is burned up in the fire of perfect knowledge. Abandoning all attachment to the results of his activities, ever satisfied and independent, he performs no fruitive action, although engaged in all kinds of undertakings. You would be surprised by how often people don’t take stuff like this seriously. They would not know of it unless they spent time reading it.+2
@Femyoz - 2024-06-24 13:35:41
I still believe in some level of fatalism caused by nature and nurture, as our ultimate outcomes are already heavily skewed by default, however I'm also a utilitarian, meaning I believe in maximizing positive outcomes, which requires me to act as an interventionist in the world, an inevitable outcome of my worldview. I believe that everything will happen, has already happened, and is currently happening all at once on a 4th dimensional axis depending on your vantage point, but that I have the ability to control what this axis looks like for me to an extent. Even if these outcomes have ultimately been determined, some of them are still contingent upon my intervention, something that I still actively have to work for.+1
@trippstreehouse - 2023-06-24 13:35:41
Thank you.+1
@rtyzxc - 2025-02-24 13:35:41
While determinism (+uncontrollable quantum randomness) is often used as a moral justification for laziness, that doesn't mean it's not also real. Also, the justification is flawed. An automaton can still be good or bad based on what it does. In a multi-automaton system, a harmful automaton is going to get scrapped and a good automaton gets their reward circuits stimulated. So an automaton with good thinking capabilities will use them to make the best out of their situation. As a link in the universe's chain reaction, if you don't use your influence to better your life goals because of an idea, you are failing, like a bugged program and you will suffer from it. Yeah, maybe you actually don't have control over any of this, like you don't have control stumbling upon this comment and realizing the issue and maybe fixing it. Even if you can't choose between multiple futures, you do have a "will" that's yours (attributable to you), and the thought process still is a necessary part of the process, and what leads to better outcomes. And those decisions DO affect and the world, coming with with a causal link and responsibility, attaching them on you. Also, the world is very chaotic and nobody can actually predict the future. We can only try to approximate on very short-term or narrow-scale using imperfect data. So the knowledge of deterministic reality is pretty much useless for any real life application, and only useful as an excuse to make yourself feel better.+3
@HCaetano - 2023-06-24 13:35:41
So much content to consoom!+7
@ssznajder - 2023-06-24 13:35:41
I still believe in a kind of determinism or whatever. To me it makes the world and human behavior make more sense than any kind of spiritual explanation. Of course I have no proof for this, but it's what I believe.+3
@rorynolan4426 - 2023-06-24 13:35:41
here's some esoteric insight for those who are interested. in tarot the devil card is synonymous with addiction. demons basically demand tithes in the form of dedications of energy - thats what a demon is, a force you keep going back to to pay a debt or a temptation that always causes you to become weakened that you can't stop doing, an addiction in other terms. being indebted to the devil or doing a deal with the devil means that people LOSE THEIR FREE WILL, and keep using or doing the thing that need to do without having the force and willpower needed to be able to choose to STOP. they've handed their willpower over to a demon/the devil which otherwise would have none. notice how many homeless people and addicts all become christians? the energy of jesus christ IS the energy of free will, thats why going to christ frees you from spiritual bondage and its why everyone who's really been in a tough place has needed to call on christ in order to begin making different choices / turn their lives around, always the result of making different choices. salvation means regaining a sense of free will, which is just the ability to make choices that support your own genuine wellbeing, which is gained through christ. free will is essentially the ability to make choices that successively and progressively put you in higher states of freedom and wellbeing. genuine wellbeing and sentiments of care for the self / knowing your own holiness and purity through christ ALWAYS spills over into how you treat others. the real creator of this universe is two things above all - unconditional love and choice/free will and everything in its original state is imbued with both qualities.+2
@staxstirner - 2023-06-24 13:35:41
Humans are controlled by their instincts desires and environment. This will not "justify" but affirm someone's mediocrity and someone else's creativity. Willing is a cope. The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must. The only will is the will to power.+2
@n0kodoko143 - 2023-06-24 13:35:41
Thanks Luke! Missed ya.+1
@ncedwards1234 - 2024-10-24 13:35:41
Whether you believe you can or you believe you can't, you're right. Power of self-fulfilling prophecies. Perhaps even the basis of the placebo effect.+2
@TemperedWambat - 2024-06-24 13:35:42
Yeah he's misrepresenting determinism not everyone has that frame of mind. It's doesn't have to be a cope. Some people can perceive it as empowering.+2
@Joe-Przybranowski - 2024-09-24 13:35:42
It's liberating as a matter of fact. Easier to be mindful.+2
@Joe-Przybranowski - 2024-09-24 13:35:42
More like 'i used to believe in causality but now I don't want to'+2
@bakters - 2024-09-24 13:35:42
@Joe-Przybranowski " i used to believe in causality " Believe? The kind of causality I think is definitely real has no place for "belief", so you must mean something else, which I'm allowed to opt out of. That's the problem with philosophy. Words have such broad scope of meanings, that it's basically impossible to make solidly verifiable statements. That's how it fails at discovery.+2
@deleted01 - 2024-10-24 13:35:42
Coppa is not just a metallic element+2
@hammerain93 - 2023-06-24 13:35:43
I wasn't a hard determinist when I became atheist, but I was once I took psychedelics, and I still am. I don't sit around all day doing nothing because I feel the urges to do things and I would have to be an addict, loser, etc. to be stuck and frozen with no goals or future. So I never really gave up the determinism, and I feel it in my life all the time. If anything, it's helped me perceive myself as "lucky enough to have healthy motivations." It also helps me not pile up so much blame and credit on people who do bad/good things respectively. e.g. I don't think we should lock up murderers to punish them, we should lock them up so more people don't get killed.+25
@audreymcknight - 2023-06-24 13:35:43
don't really agree. lack of free will could justify mediocrity, but it could just as well justify doing great things. believing in a lack of free will /the big chain reaction is ultimately kind of inconsequential if you don't have any way of predicting the result, unless you just pat yourself on the back whenever time moves forward. it's a matter of self worth maybe+5
@thingsiplay - 2023-06-24 13:35:43
Uncertainty Principle, particles popping in and out of existence by random, probably other existing dimensions, and the universe makes up only a few percentage of matter. We don't know so much about the universe, it would be a blunder to say we know for sure if its deterministic or not.+3
@Twtgod - 2023-06-24 13:35:43
Stumbling on this channel is one of the best thing to happen to me in the YouTube Universe. Greetings from Africa+12
@gulaschnikov5335 - 2024-06-24 13:35:43
I don't believe in free will and since I am ever more trying to remind me of that belief, I can observe I am more loving to everyone around me and to myself. It helped me overcome the societal gaze in some regards. Feeling less shame for how I look and behave on the streets for example. Hugging homeless people in the train and doing pull ups there or stretching at the station, just being more lively and interactive with the surroundings. What else do I have to do besides being a friendly loving human being that sees no guilt in anyone in order to be content with the narrative I and other people would tell about me? Seeing no guilt does not mean I don't see the necessity of consequences. I do wish for loving and understanding consequences though and that we try our best to discover truth and logic. That, simply said, means when judging I would base the consequences on the context and history of the person or group and with keeping in mind that we are all biological, dynamical social beings no being in control of what we know, believe, etc. I think I got to this conclusion by chance. Of course I asked myself: "do I believe in that for the cope?" But I just can't believe otherwise. It just doesn't make sense to me anymore. In the end I think it is more logical and honest to say I have no free will and I will build a narrative and identity that suits me - to not get depressed and kill myself - anyway. Thats for one, out of pure drive to survive and the other because I am lucky to do so, owed to a functioning social network around me. Edit: I believe it is important to note that I don't really believe in the concept of the individual. I believe everything is interconnected. I believe we don't know what we are, what thinking, will, and feeling even really is. We do now fully understand it yet. So maybe in the end the question whether there is free will or not is not answerable accurately yet.+1
@CatCitySliders - 2023-06-24 13:35:43
You seem to be oversimplifying to avoid some uncomfortable truths about reality.+10
@fallout_jesus - 2023-06-24 13:35:43
The self can be an illusion and your choices still matter. no paradox. Its the difference between intention and accident when the outcome is the same, like hitting some npc with your camry.+2
@stewbeef8808 - 2023-06-24 13:35:43
I have heard you talk before about how the human brain/mind isn't actually well-equipped to understand reality. How do you square that with confidence in finding final answers to these these kinds of "ultimate questions?" I have no idea if I have free will or not. I don't even know if I can formulate a consistent definition of that idea, despite over a decade trying. How can I know or believe I have something or can do something if I don't even understand what that thing is? I have found that, the less I worry about raking myself over the coals over having objectively correct answers to the hardest philosophical questions in the human experience, the better my life actually goes. More friends, more family, more connection with my community, better satisfaction with my work, more spiritually alive, etc. The less I worry about having free will or not, the better things are for me.+12
@Ignas_ - 2023-06-24 13:35:43
Whether free will exists or not really depends on how you define it. If talking about "the ability to make choices", then you can say that we can and we do. But if talking about "the ability to make choices that are uninfluenced by our life experience and/or environment", then we probably don't. I think determinism is not that "we can't make any choices", but that the choices we do make are exactly the ones that we would have made in that particular context ("I have no choice, but to choose this"). But that's virtually the same as free will. In any case, people will choose whatever they think the best choice is at the time.+1
@ihavenoname.4929 - 2023-06-24 13:35:43
Determinism and Freewill exist simultaneously.+4
@lorenzodhernandes - 2024-06-24 13:35:43
It seems like you have more of a problem with how people use determinism than the concept itself.+4
@particleconfig.8935 - 2024-06-24 13:35:43
Good job reconteucting it to regain autonomy over your life. For me I think it wasn't so much a cope as just having not figured it out yet. It's quite some deep paradigm stuff and I see the idea of having free will as a helpful mechanism within a deterministic reality.+1
@juzujuzu4555 - 2023-06-24 13:35:43
Game theoretic way of looking at things, if there's no free will, then believing in it is not up to you, but if there is a free will and you don't believe it, then you are going to eff up. Thus the only sensible solution is to believe in free will. The same thing applies on the meaning of life, the existence of God etc. Though there are many other ways to come to the same conclusions but I like the game theoretic view as a starting point. As it's so simple and 100% correct.+2
@ichster3629 - 2023-06-24 13:35:43
At last, the final piece to the eternal motivation puzzle+18
@Jay-kk3dv - 2023-06-24 13:35:43
Remember the movie, Free Willy?+3
@rottweiler3619 - 2023-06-24 13:35:43
This upload was always destined to happen+1
@ncedwards1234 - 2024-10-24 13:35:43
Imagine not pulling the lever in the trolley problem because you forget responsibility is inherent to all response ability.+2
@DaveAshton-m9w - 2024-10-24 13:35:43
Everything you say is true, apart from one fact. Free will is an illusion. Unless i missed the part where you actually disproved it. Peace and love.+3
@bbsara0146 - 2023-06-24 13:35:43
I agree that everything is pre determined. and it just so happens that my pre determined route is to become rich and successful+2
@Hammid - 2023-06-24 13:35:43
You’re on a roll! Thank you!+1
@godnyx117 - 2023-06-24 13:35:45
Another reason to lock them up is in hopes (cause as you can see, this didn't worked great) that other people will see that and be afraid to kill. Preventing more killers is as important as preventing the same person from killing.+7
@hammerain93 - 2023-06-24 13:35:45
@godnyx117 yes, deterrence is important. "You do X then you go to Y"+2
@ψευδάνερ - 2023-06-24 13:35:45
@godnyx117 I dont think prison is a deterrent for murder, maybe for theft it yes, but if that was the case there wouldn't ever be any murders ever again since the first people locked up, and the fact that there is a thrill about getting away with murder from some not because it causes harm to others but simply because it is illegal so it turns it into a sort of game, its something to consider also+1
@hammerain93 - 2023-06-24 13:35:45
@bobduckington68 LOL+1
@hammerain93 - 2023-06-24 13:35:45
@vnolan633 take psychedelics with a trusted close friend+1
@OrdniformicRhetoric - 2024-06-24 13:35:45
@vnolan633 fall in love with boredom. Allow yourself to spend time being bored, start doing incremental boring things with little boring goals at the end. Spend enough time surrounded by boredom and youll be surprised at how interesting everything becomes+3
@bryck7853 - 2024-06-24 13:35:45
The Dustin Hoffman character in "Papillon" said, "Blame is for God and small children" *1973 film adaptation, which was written by Dalton Trumbo and Lorenzo Semple Jr. and starred Steve McQueen and Dustin Hoffman.[+2
@pepper5128 - 2024-06-24 13:35:45
Thank you! I was hoping someone down here would come to the aide of determinism. And obviously I can't blame Luke Smith for my disagreeing with him. (though after watching the full video I see he didn't really criticize the philosophical concept itself) And yeah, I'll admit it with you, psychedelics did aide in the complete overhauling of my perspective on free will. They are crazy experiences, haven't had many and I'm frightened to have any more, but yeah. Not because they were bad experiences, but they were pretty exhausting and challenging.+1
@oscarlove4394 - 2024-07-24 13:35:45
@ψευδάνερ i mean, i do think prison is a deterrent for murder. Sure not ALL murder, you're always going to have crimes of passion. But there's going to be less people who kill for profit or other personal gain if the risks outweight the benefits. Most people who commit murder have a good reason (to them). People who kill 'for the fun of it' are very rare and essentially all insane so not something we should account for in society.+1
@axe2001 - 2023-06-24 13:35:45
Hope you stay there+11
@Twtgod - 2023-06-24 13:35:45
@axe2001 stay where?+2
@user49357 - 2023-06-24 13:35:45
@Twtgod Hope you stay focused+15
@Twtgod - 2023-06-24 13:35:45
@user49357 Absolutely that's why I have the name.+6
@Twtgod - 2023-06-24 13:35:45
@axe2001 Racist much?+3
@tv-pp - 2023-06-24 13:35:46
Wym+1
@xvindiex - 2023-06-24 13:35:46
Ignorance is bliss+6
@linuxramblingproductions8554 - 2024-06-24 13:35:46
How+1
@nemesis9410 - 2025-06-03 13:35:46
No+1
@sirzorg5728 - 2023-06-24 13:35:47
the fire in your soul that can drive you to anything.+4
@Rafael.Vertamatti - 2023-06-24 13:35:47
I think there's a logical flaw in your argument that you should address. The way you state it seems to indicate that if you are not in control you do nothing but if you have free will "you do something about it". But without free will EVERYTHING is a chain reaction, EVEN if you speak up and take responsibility, it still is a reaction to everything that has previously happened. The real problem is not moral, to me, it is HOW can anything happen without a cause. It seems to me that cause and effect cannot be dodged, whatever the scenario is. Do you feel me?+2
@Joe-Przybranowski - 2024-09-24 13:35:47
Seems like you had the understanding early on but got lost later on. I get it, the idea that we can somehow free-will away causality must have some very important survival benefits or we as a species wouldn't cling to it so hard.+3
@ncedwards1234 - 2024-10-24 13:35:47
Still seems like cause creates effect in reasonably predictable ways, it just so happens that one of those ways is that i consistently do what the fuck i want, and what i want is to do what's right. If that counts as determination, it's because i am indeed determined.+2
@johnstamos5948 - 2025-05-24 13:35:47
Redgy edpill is a good screen name+2
@levifig - 2024-06-24 13:35:47
The irony is that Calvin (or Martin Luther, more particularly, since he's the one that wrote the book on Free Will :P) never taught fatalism or the abscense of free will. What they taught was about man's inability to save themselves, needing God's initiative for that. They also taught that you have free will when it comes to your operating procedures in this world/life, outside of salvation, both before and after redemption. It's actually a cool and deep concept, and nothing to do with how Calvinism is usually characterized, even in evangelical circles. What they emphasized was God's sovereignty over all things, space and time, not God's predeterminism on all things. The teaching is God CAN determine everything, not so much that He does determine everything… outside of salvation (i.e. monergism). Thank you for sharing your thoughts! 🙏+1
@cj548 - 2023-06-24 13:35:47
Not sure you understand what the word cope means. Thinking you have free will is cope not the opposite+6
@84Chadd - 2023-06-24 13:35:47
Free will exists as an abstraction. From the perspective of our minds, we have free will. From the context of the universe, everything must follow the laws of physics and our perspective is part of that. It is just as valid to enforce morality, justice, responsibility, taking action etc. Human values and consequences still remain so nothing about how we need to behave changes. We will always demand consequences for undesirable actions. Making choices deconstructed is really just modeling and comparing different hypothetical actions and outcomes then selecting the perceived best outcome for our goals. All things that machines can do today. If physics is purely deterministic then so will be the outcome of that computation. If it also involves probability or randomness then so will the computation. The process of modeling and comparing hypothetical actions is basically the abstraction of free will. Justice deconstructed is a necessary consequence we apply to others to improve choices (modeling and comparing) going forward according to our morality. Even if that action was unpreventable in the context of physics, what matters morally is that it was preventable in the context of freewill. Preventable (in the context of freewill) deconstructed means that a choice (modeling and comparing) can be improved upon in similar situations going forward to avoid the undesirable outcome. Therefore, freewill is inescapable and everyone including your friend must still own their actions!+5
@Optimus6128 - 2024-08-24 13:35:47
We should see it as a cope and understand the struggle behind cope, not just saying "man do the thing, take the responsibility". People reach dead ends so they have to cope with such ideas. Certain people with certain personality traits or difficulties end up being attracted to this idea of the lack of free will. But also "you have a purpose, you are here for a reason" is another cope. It's a positive cope. We don't even call it cope, it's a positive thought to keep you get going. It's not proven anyway that we are here for a reason, it's a belief. But all of these are things we say to hold in our life. I don't have disregard for people who don't believe in free will. Or black pillers. They are struggling with life so they have to invent or attach themselves into something as everything else feels like a deadend. Also some people believe the "lack of free will" idea could lead to some compassion. Although I struggle with the word "compassion" because usually it's associated with certain emotionality responses. But I try sometimes to do something else. I look at someone who behaves irrationally and usually we are like "Why is this person doing that? If he just did what I told him he would have solved all his issues". But I try now to see it like "If I had his brain and mind and experiences, a save state (like in emulators) of his current state of mind, I would have done exactly the same I think I wouldn't". Kinda like lack of free-will to be honest, kinda like if I was in his entire state molecule by molecule, psychologically, biologically, past experiences and memories, the very next move would be the same as what he would do. We look at people we don't understand from our own perspective, but we have a different upbringing, mind, traits, and more variables. Of course we find what someone else does irrational and stupid. But what if we were THEM? (That's how I understand what some proponents of lack of free-will call as compassion).+1
@oinkmagoink9129 - 2023-06-24 13:35:47
We live in a paradox. Every truth is simultaneously a lie, every lie a partial truth+2
@traddad9172 - 2023-06-24 13:35:47
Agency & conviction It's amazing how quickly you can change local politics when you show up and voice your opposition/support for initatives.+1
@RealRick_Sanchez_C137 - 2025-03-24 13:35:47
chemical reaction? Absolutely! Can we do something about it? We can do A LOT! What that leads to for me is: it does not matter what you do with your life. You can do literally nothing! Or you can make many things happen. It's up to our own choices what we want to do.+1
@yungefendi6480 - 2024-08-24 13:35:47
timing and accuracy to find this is CRAZY+1
@chaseopsahl - 2023-06-24 13:35:47
Calvinists aren't fatalists. Hyper-calvinists are. Brought to you by a Calvinist. I do appreciate this take against fatalism though, it does lead to severe apathy and inaction. "God has a plan for this universe but his plan involves you" is 100% right on the nail.+2
@LightInTheNight1337 - 2023-06-24 13:35:47
If changing your environment changes your choices, and your environment precedes you, then ...+1
@reinoob - 2023-06-24 13:35:47
It's not pre determined if it's a chain reaction, it's illogical to think that a chain reaction is immutable when you consider a scope where the variables change all the time.+6
@oscarlove4394 - 2024-07-24 13:35:47
honestly i think its just a matter of scale and perspective. I'm still a hard determinist but i also think people are responsible for their actions. Sure in a grand cosmic scale everything is predetermined and we are all just automatons whose path in life is set in stone. But at a functional human level we're still responsible for ourselves and our actions. You are capable of thinking and deliberating and therefore responsible for your actions in every way that matters.+1
@LiberLam - 2024-11-24 13:35:47
You should do a video covering the Buddhist take on free will covered in the discourse on non-self+1
@owen755 - 2023-06-24 13:35:47
The best argument against determinism I've heard is the analogy of the computer and the display. Humans input their choices with the computer (brain) and see the result on the display (vision). Something like an Artificial Intelligence doesn't have free will, it only consists of the display.+3
@Raccoonov - 2025-05-27 13:35:47
Luke looks so fresh with a short beard 👌🏼+1
@martiniversen4898 - 2023-06-24 13:35:47
Love this channel+1
@kirglow4639 - 2024-12-24 13:35:48
I bet something happened later in his life to make him believe in God, so he reinterpreted his life before the belief. It's pretty silly to think that his non-belief in free will actually impacted how he was living his life - but I can see how if you're looking to justify your new belief you point out something like that+1
@10ahm01 - 2023-06-24 13:35:48
Either can be a cope depending on what one actually desires, but I guess I disagree with his generalization; I don't believe we have freewill even though I would have preferred if we did.+2
@youtub-fj8mu - 2023-06-24 13:35:48
well said+2
@kirglow4639 - 2024-12-24 13:35:49
It was pre-determined, like your will is+1
@kirglow4639 - 2024-12-24 13:35:49
I think the Buddhist take is that there is no free will because there is no doer. It's also not just the Buddhist take, it's the take of anyone who notices how their consciousness works+2
@Ignas_ - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
But the brain is influenced by our senses. We experience the environment, and make choices based on those inputs, which changes the environment. It's an instantaneous feedback loop. Same way as an AI performs a calculation, then gets feedback on whether their results were right or wrong, and alters its behavior to be "better" in its environment.+1
@owen755 - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
@Ignas_ you missed the point. We're not an automaton.+1
@alexandersanchez9138 - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
An AI has a simulated brain, which is operationally analogous to an organic brain. How can you prove that I am not an automaton? I claim to be one--with the illusion of (the illusion of) freewill.+1
@owen755 - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
@alexandersanchez9138 The difference between our current AI and us is self awareness. Yes our freewill is created by God, so you could technically call us an AI, but does that make our freewill any less real?+1
@alexandersanchez9138 - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
@owen755 I think you're conflating consciousness and freewill, which are basically entirely separate issues. To address your rhetorical question, I agree; I don't think who made some machine has any bearing on its properties. However, I'm not saying we don't have freewill because we are an AI--in fact, I think the comparison with AI is basically a non sequitur.+1
@linuxramblingproductions8554 - 2024-06-24 13:35:50
@owen755 restating yourself doesn’t make it more correct+1
@db1777 - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
No free will doesn't necessarily mean no choice. Having no free will means not being able to make choices without repercussions. Basically cause and effect, every choice you make will have a rebounding effect whether good or bad that you will have to face. Edit: To sum it up, we have no control over the outcome of our decisions not that we have no decision.+4
@Gahanun - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
I think the two world views aren't mutually exclusive. The universe being deterministic isn't an argument against making moral decisions. Our mind is just a mechanism to help us influence the world in our favor better than some inanimate rock can. If anything that's a very compelling argument to try to make the best decision you can imo. The free will debate is very theoretical and kinda pointless, because ultimately it doesn't absolve you from exercising the act of thinking even if you conclude that it is determined. It's kinda like setting up a row of dominos to press a button. Until you knock them over the button isn't pressed, no matter how much you theorize the inevitability of the button's pressing.+2
@shash14220 - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
Its that time of the year when based luke uploads based videos+3
@sfsksasbs3 - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
we are all controlled by something greater: memes, the dna of the soul+78
@AwkwardSegway95 - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
Compatibilism is recognizing that everything is deterministic while also recognizing that we are still in control of our actions.+1
@evandrofilipe1526 - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
I used to think like this, however, now I have reason to believe that free will really can exist (actually) and there are somethings that are now considered truly random. It's basically gone back to how it was before (to when was sure I had free will) except at any moment I can stop "pretending" that I do. I watched this talk about a strange loop and it kinda makes sense to me how free will can be thought of as an abstraction that allows us to interpret the world. As I see it now we could have free will, we could not, but I honestly think it doesn't make much of a difference in my life.+6
@brenokv - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
the whole no free wil cope is one that im heavely guilty of, but i came to belive that yes while all humans do have a degree of free will, ones willpower, resolve, values etc, can be bend if one is either weak enougth or is properly exposed to the rigth....usualy painfull ,stimuly, or quimicaly manipulated to act in a pre decided way, exemple lock a mofo in a room for days and he probably will be ravenously hungry and more likely to either compromise his morals for the sake of sustaining his body, or simply try to feed if offered food, if this was the simple objective it, was easely achived in this example+2
@evangelium5376 - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
I've found that determinist philosophy isn't very good to begin with. It fails hard on the phenomenology aspect.+4
@Vengeqnce - 2024-12-24 13:35:50
What you've been saying is literally the difference between التوكل (tawakul) and التواكل (tawakal). Tawakul is the act of trusting in God's plan after you’ve made every possible effort. It’s about being proactive and doing your best, while acknowledging that the outcome is ultimately in God's hands. It’s not about sitting back and waiting for things to happen, but about balancing effort with faith. On the other hand, tawakal is more about being passive — expecting things to work out without doing anything yourself. It’s not relying on God in the right way because it avoids responsibility and effort.+1
@AlexanderHunt-d5q - 2024-06-24 13:35:50
“The world is an illusion, but it is an illusion that we must take seriously, because it is as real as it goes. In those aspects of reality which we are capable of apprehending, our business is to wake up. We have to find ways in which to detect the whole of reality in the one illusory part which our self-centered consciousness permits us to see. We must not live thoughtlessly, taking our illusion for the complete reality, but at the same time we must not live too thoughtfully in the sense of trying to escape from the dream state. We must continually be on our watch for ways in which we may enlarge our consciousness. We must not attempt to live outside the world, which is given to us, but we must somehow learn how to transform it and transfigure it. Too much 'wisdom' is as bad as too little wisdom, and there must be no magic tricks. We must learn to come to reality without the enchanter's wand and his book of the words. One must find a way of being in this world while not being in it. A way of living in time without being completely swallowed up by time.” ― Aldous Huxley+1
@lol_vevo - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
Even if you believe we are nothing but a configuration of mindless matter, quantum physics is 100% compatible with the concept of free will+2
@Izebergozz - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
Even if there is no free will, it should have been invented.+2
@laughingvampire7555 - 2024-06-24 13:35:50
If you believe everything is matter is called Materialism or Physicalism. And reality isn't deterministic, just ask any physicist about it, it isn't, reality is undeterministic and free will exists, thinking that free will doesn't exist because everything is matter is a jump to conclusions that ignores multiple layers, is not even an edgy idea, is an old idea of positivism in the 1800s.+2
@LawrenceHe - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
been waiting half a year to get my dose of luke smith content+1
@herranonym5725 - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
I kind of disagree with the buildup but when Luke reaches his point I fully agree. Even if you do belive in science and not religion, which I do, I think it's unhelpful to think that everything is predetermined and I even think the science is on my side. Consider quantum superpositions, it's well known that there is a range where particles may exist at a specific time but that is not predetermined so why should the rest of the universe, which is based on this?+1
@ezforsaken - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
What number is larger? The amount of atoms in the universe or the amount of times Luke said 'like' in this video?+2
@mskiptr - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
> you can perceive what's going on This is imo the best logical argument for things besides hard, materialistic physics existing. I see no way for consciousness to stem from deterministic laws we can solve on a piece of paper. (Would some awareness emerge within your calculations if you were to simulate a part of the universe 'by hand'?) Yes, robots, machine learning models and AI in general can easily have the concept of self. But that's all about their behavior on the outside, so to speak. I'm not talking about anything like that. If you want to know what I mean, think about solipsism for a moment and then ask yourself what's the difference between conscious and non-conscious person there.+1
@tomstokoe5660 - 2024-06-24 13:35:50
The universe is almost certainly entirely predetermined but the only entity that could even theoretically understand how it's all been predetermined is god who almost certainly doesn't exist or at the very least won't share that information with us. I guess the takeaway from that is we shouldn't worry about these things too much, the whole universe will seem to have free will in it irrelevant of whether or not it exists. We just can't know our own fates definitively, nor anybody else's, so they might as well not exist.+1
@2udo - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
Based+2
@AMBELLINA77 - 2023-06-24 13:35:50
My son told me you make great videos. Just watched this one and agree. Subbed.+3
@Thematic2177 - 2023-06-24 13:35:51
If you have the ability to make choice, then you have free will. Consequences are external and irrelevant to this discussion.+5
@your-mom-irl - 2023-06-24 13:35:51
I dunno that sounds like a bunch of compatibilist cope+2
@evangelium5376 - 2023-06-24 13:35:51
Free will isn't about outcomes, it's about what constitutes an act in itself.+1
@db1777 - 2023-06-24 13:35:51
@thematic2177 Given the ability foresight, wouldn't knowing the possible outcome of a decision sway your decision making? Therefore doesn't the consequence of an action influence ones free will decision-making aka cause and effect?+1
@tiagomiranda316 - 2023-06-24 13:35:51
your pfp is sick+8
@videorelaxant2780 - 2023-06-24 13:35:51
Okay Jungian+4
@hueylongenjoyer3747 - 2023-06-24 13:35:51
Sounds like copetibilism.+2
@porky1118 - 2023-06-24 13:35:52
It's not a good philosophy. It's not a philosophical question, but a question of truth. Either the world is deterministic, or it isn't. I never heard about "phenomenology". It sounds like stuff, that cannot be explained using the deterministic rules we know. But non-determinism wouldn't help to explain this, either.+1
@ArniesTech - 2023-06-24 13:35:52
Thanks to chemicals, God, Aliens, Richard Stallman etc. I am financially Independent with 11 real estate properties at age 31 and I can pursue my Hobby which is Tech here on the interwebs having a fantastic positive and supporting community. 🙏+5
@The_Andy_H - 2023-06-24 13:35:52
I feel like your younger self would've said that you could have your atoms and experiences set in such a way that it makes a person who would do everything in his power to be the best version possible. (Showing that everything being a chain reaction+working hard to get the best results can exist together) How would you prove that wrong? Just by saying that it's a cope? He might have said, just because it can be used as a cope doesn't mean that it can't be true at the same time.+2
@Robb4d - 2025-05-24 13:35:52
I dont understand whos will and what did he do?+2
@sentokoo9156 - 2023-06-24 13:35:52
Hey Luke, what made you decide on Orthodoxy instead of Gnosticism? The idea that the universe was created by an imperfect demiurge seems more likely to me when reading the Old Testament than a perfect all-loving creator, since it sure seems like we live in a world of evil and suffering.+3
@demr04 - 2023-06-24 13:35:52
Bro, even if you are an atheist, you can be a deterministic if you believe in quantum physics+2
@Abhinav_Nayana_Sailen - 2023-06-24 13:35:52
So many vids in a day+2
@oalfodr - 2023-06-24 13:35:52
I have never seen atheists that have that fatalistic opinion. Even though I think we are all organic machines, I dislike thinking you cannot change anything. Even if our actions are determined by some current state of waves and particles, if you stop changing the variables and go with the flow, you are stagnating and barely living. Waiting for some lucky break sounds stupid as gambling to me. Regardless of our beliefs, we are responsible for our actions and must work on our flaws to do better.+3
@HADESCROUNS - 2023-06-24 13:35:52
I need to find god+6
@mitya - 2023-06-24 13:35:52
In short: praying for winning the lottery won't help if you're not buying a ticket.+2
@stuckmannen3876 - 2023-06-24 13:35:52
this is so true! i know a lot of people "trapped" in that sort of mindset (mainly evangelicals)... just waiting for the endtimes to come... while they sit in their room doing nothing with their lives... this video basically summarized very neatly what I have been thinking all this time. Thanks for sharing, God bless ☦+7
@xinqibao267 - 2023-06-24 13:35:52
Like your this jacket man.+1
@tainicon4639 - 2023-06-24 13:35:52
The future may not be predetermined… this doesn’t mean we have free will. The universe is either deterministic or the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics could result in non predetermined but still fully uncontrollable Chemical reactions.+1
@Wolcik3000 - 2024-06-24 13:35:52
very motivating to modify the self-programming+1
@Raccoonov - 2023-06-24 13:35:52
I missed you, Luke ) you weren’t in my YT feed for a while+1
@tex8939 - 2023-06-24 13:35:52
Damn Luke, you're uploading videos more frequently.+3
@siegfriedkircheis9484 - 2023-06-24 13:35:52
Calvinism is not fatalistic+2
@ArticleBot - 2023-06-24 13:35:52
compatibilism is the real red pill, the principle of alternative possibilities and indeterminism has absolutely nothing to do with free will, agent causation does and is perfectly compatible with determinism+4
@uverpro3598 - 2024-06-24 13:35:52
I can really relate to that intellectual journey.+1
@youngarmani7155 - 2023-06-24 13:35:52
Knight ETF trading? Luke was a trader ?+4
@seetheious9879 - 2023-06-24 13:35:52
It might not be free nor predetermined but it is probabalistic.+2
@linuxramblingproductions8554 - 2024-06-24 13:35:53
Yeah he just went me no like so wrong. As a oversimplification yes but thats basically it he just said it was wrong but purely because he didn’t like it+1
@greensoldier2142 - 2025-06-12 13:35:53
He did a thing+1
@mskiptr - 2023-06-24 13:35:53
> it sure seems like we live in a world of evil and suffering Catholic answer to this is more or less that all of this evil and suffering in the world is here because of free will and the imperfections created from sin. God gave humans (as well as angels), freedom to act on their own. Some angels decided to act against God and become demons. Humans, after being tempted by them, started to sin and thus the perfect world going according to God's plan, was lost.+5
@hv-1944 - 2023-06-24 13:35:53
@mskiptr da moj brat. 🇻🇦🇭🇷+3
@PhunkMasterFlex - 2024-06-24 13:35:53
LOL. Gnosticism is such a dumb meme. Go back in church history if you want to read about it getting pwned time and time again. There's a reason that almost no one is a gnostic anymore.+2
@user-or4ut2qi3q - 2023-06-24 13:35:54
But evangelicals are not just waiting, they go into the streets to preach to people and they hand out tracts. That is why they are called evangelical, because they evangelise. Not to mention missions and other charity work. They dedicate their lives to serving the Lord by spreading the gospel and helping people, is that doing nothing? What does doing something with your life look like to you?+2
@ZyroZoro - 2023-06-24 13:35:54
Free will or no free will, you still control your own life.+7
@diedforurwins - 2023-06-24 13:35:54
I’m stuck there man this helped a lot+1
@violarulez - 2023-06-24 13:35:54
hope is longing for an outcome you have no agency over. hope is what keeps people chained to unlivable situations. there's an essay that inspired me in 9th grade by derrick jensen, "beyond hope" which kinda makes similar points to this vidya. my personal view on free will is that -- while i suspect that our material reality is a mixture of both free will and deterministic elements -- it is more useful in every situation and relationship in life to believe in pure free will. because the point of consciousness is to have the self-awareness to reflect on and improve behaviour/action... it simply doesn't make sense to choose a belief that calcifies your behaviour and choices in life (especially given that determinism is an unprovable conclusion either way).+2
@superroydude - 2023-06-24 13:35:54
Whenever someone says "I am a hard determinist", my instant thought is "who cares what you say you are, you're just an automaton". The thing about an automaton is that it always acts as the extension of someone else's will. So claiming hard determinism always makes you a slave to the will of free thinking men.+2
@arturorochoa9359 - 2025-01-24 13:35:54
5:02 again what is also said in the gospel. Jesus was tempted in the Desert by Lucifer, one of those times Lucifer AKA Satan asked him that if he fall of the cliff, the angels will be at his service. Jesus responded with “Do not tempt the Lord your God” It goes to show that even Satan knows the bible front and back, but if he is given the opportunity to disobey God, he will do it again.+1
@wheresthesauce3886 - 2023-06-24 13:35:54
I could always easily accept the idea that plants were just a "bundle of verg complex chemical reactions," but I could never make he jump to animals.+4
@--Singularity-- - 2024-06-24 13:35:54
It doesn´t matter.+1
@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் - 2024-06-24 13:35:54
The same old "Freedom of Choice is Freedom of Will" argument. The temperature of the room can alter your mood, you don't even create your own thoughts, they just pop into existence. Your emotions influence every choice you make even if you deny it. Sure you can make choices, you can take responsibility but that doesn't change the fact that the environment has influence on what i choose to do even if from my perspective i'm the one making the choice.+3
@enrott8560 - 2024-06-24 13:35:54
Im just waiting for someone to make youtube account "redgie edpill"+2
@ThomasHolbrookII - 2023-06-24 13:35:54
I would like to think that a powerful entity would prefer that others would be willing to make their own decisions instead of requiring their intervention all the time.+1
@insidetrip101 - 2023-06-24 13:35:54
You're coming at it from a way differently from me, but I agree. I haven't completely abandoned determinism because things obviously determine our behavior. If someone has habitually practiced courage, and they have that virtue, then they are inclined to act in a courageous manner. This idea that we don't have "free will" just because something else might have an effect on our decision making is such a brain dead perspective. Yes, our behavior is determined, but we're also free because these two things are talking about the world from completely different narrative domains. There are other problems with hard determinism as well, but this is the biggest one as far as I see.+1
@thrusteavis - 2023-06-24 13:35:54
I do believe this and think chaos theory is cope but I also don't use it as an excuse for my being shitty+2
@vvert1506 - 2023-06-24 13:35:54
i read the title as "on free wifi" and was very confused for the first five minutes. still a good video+1
@arnae9532 - 2024-06-24 13:35:54
Interpreting that determinism is about believing that things happen regardless of your will is retarded, since your perceived will itself, would still be part of the cause-consequence chain. Rejecting determinism only because you feel it will lead you to act irresponsibly and passively, precisely as an inevitable consequence, is ironic. A person who actually understands determinism would still perceive that their thoughts and actions have an impact on their life. Simply as part of a complex causal chain of events, but without considering them negligible.+8
@dadecountyboos - 2023-06-24 13:35:54
You’re an inspiring human.+2
@frankprit3320 - 2023-06-24 13:35:54
God gives us freewill as a test, to see what kind of person we are like "inside". are we going to make the right choice or the wrong one. that's the test. Are we going to think of others or only ourselves.+1
@arturorochoa9359 - 2025-01-24 13:35:54
4:58 its like what is said in the gospel: if your left hand causes you to sin, cut it out! Its better to lose one of your members in heaven than for it to drag your whole body to hell. What im saying is that if you struggle with addiction like watching adult videos, cut out the internet if ya have to. Stay out of your room, don’t bring electronics to your room and/or bathroom! These are examples.+1
@ironknightgaming5706 - 2023-06-24 13:35:54
Religions are for people who don't like free will "Leave it in gods hands" and athiest are for people who don't like free will "we are just clumps of matter". I remain me for that exact reason. I do not define myself by my assumptions on the world.+1
@BitterMonday - 2024-06-24 13:35:54
Sometimes its hard to fathom a human who knows so little can speak so much+10
@otterpunk2055 - 2024-06-24 13:35:54
Remember being obsessed by this topic, but was actually horrified with this topic. And there are known people of science (hello, Robert Sapolsky) doing such claims. So it became cool and sciency to say you have no free will. And they are almost proud they believe so. Why? This is incredibly depressive worldview just edgy for the sake of being edgy. Why would someone want to believe in that?+2
@samusaran7317 - 2023-06-24 13:35:55
😹+1
@your-mom-irl - 2023-06-24 13:35:55
Ur an npc too dude don't worry+2
@alexandersanchez9138 - 2023-06-24 13:35:55
A hard determinist denies the existence of "free thinking men" in the sense you obviously mean it; they call such people "naive, thoughtless boys."+1
@superroydude - 2023-06-24 13:35:55
@alexandersanchez9138 What is thought to a determinist?+3
@superroydude - 2023-06-24 13:35:55
@your-mom-irl We're all non player characters. No one can play you but you.+1
@superroydude - 2023-06-24 13:35:55
@alexandersanchez9138 Exactly so, besides an uncontrollable random process, what is thought to a determinist? Of course they dont actually believe this, no one with an opinion does. They contradict themselves the second they try to convince another. The only reason someone would claim this is because they secretly think it doesn't apply to them. In reality we all have free will to the extent God allows. You want the true red-pill? Drop the Calvin and read Aquinas.+2
@alexandersanchez9138 - 2023-06-24 13:35:55
@superroydude Thought, in the way you clearly mean it, is merely the experience of information processing--that's all it is. I communicate with others because, for whatever reason, I ""want"" to. Of course ""want"" is just shorthand for whatever physiological process is mediating my behavior (which my mind doesn't have direct access to, even if it happens in the brain).+1
@alexandersanchez9138 - 2023-06-24 13:35:55
@superroydude You shouldn't do that, but I'm sure God will have mercy on you if you repent.+1
@superroydude - 2023-06-24 13:35:55
@alexandersanchez9138 I pray so. Because if I lived such a life it would be my fault and not predetermined by fate.+1
@alexandersanchez9138 - 2023-06-24 13:35:55
@superroydude I agree that it would be your fault. But we're talking about different "you"s. The "you" I'm referring to is the physical mind that wrote that comment, not the soul residing in you which observes it.+1
@superroydude - 2023-06-24 13:35:55
@alexandersanchez9138 That is not a reasonable distinction. As far as I'm concerned that is cope - one can't have their cake and eat it too. The judgment of your soul is contingent on your actions being of your free will.+1
@alexandersanchez9138 - 2023-06-24 13:35:55
@superroydude You would say that because you're a determinism-denier. However, I forgive you. The best I (the mind) can try to do is to better my situation by acting rationally. I hope, for your own sake, you do likewise.+1
@superroydude - 2023-06-24 13:35:55
@alexandersanchez9138 Who programmed us Automaton Sanchez?+1
@alexandersanchez9138 - 2023-06-24 13:35:55
@superroydude Everything in the observable universe did.+1
@porky1118 - 2023-06-24 13:35:56
Sounds like discrimination. Why do you set the border between plants and animals? What about mushrooms? They are evolutionary closer to animals than plants.+2
@wheresthesauce3886 - 2023-06-24 13:35:56
@porky1118 'cause I'm a bigot+8
@7enima682 - 2024-08-24 13:35:56
The problem here is with that the determinism, while being compatible with many different ontologies, mostly goes hand in hand with hard physicalist reductionist one, because it's quite simple ontologically and just makes a ton of sense. And from that POV (which I assume you hold, cuz if you're a determinist and not a physicalist - why. Like literally why.), your sentence is meaningless. Term by term - what "feels" are you talking about? Responsibility? Passiveness? Impact on your life? What is a "life" anyway? "Perceived will?" What the fuck is a "perceiver"? All is a slop pile of particles and matter and nothing deserves anymore consideration than that. You don't control anything not because everything is a complex chain of events, but because there is no "you". Yeah, that's pretty bad. I held that view for a while and that was, idk, I'd even say kinda traumatizing. Maybe you're built different in that regard, but idk how a human being can hold this kinda view and not feel like shit. Thankfully, phenomenal consciousness exists and there are very good arguments for its existence (on top of it being self-evident), so I get to keep my intellectual honesty and not feel bad! Nah, but being fr - idc abt the feels aspect, the existence of phenomenal consciousness kinda destroys physicalism (or demands radically new physics which would lead to physicalism but only in name). And this existence of this unexplainable shit called qualia, combined with the fact that the feeling of free will is a qualia itself - idk, it suggests to me there's still much more to the debate. No more (I really have no idea where to even begin to think about this stuff), but certainly no less+1
@arnae9532 - 2024-08-24 13:35:56
@7enima682 A physicalist may believe that phenomenal consciousness is how a brain processes sensory phenomena from a first-person perspective, and that there is nothing more to it. A dualist may believe that his body is a vessel and that his soul interacts with the material world without directly being part of it. Both theories have functionally the same implications on your reality and allow the same possibilities. Believing in either has no real implication (at least until death), so it isn't unthinkable that someone that genuinely understands physicalism would just not care. Nevertheless, I still agree with what you said, the average person is going to feel similar to you regardless, with feelings of meaninglessness and insignificance, mostly because of negative nihilism, since physicalism is incompatible with most religions or spirituality, which some need. Still, any arguments against physicalism don't directly disprove determinism. After all, when your soul consciously chooses to do something, you don't really choose randomly. There are genuine preferences, feelings, or impulses that you don't consciously choose, and they influence your actions. To have free will would imply the ability to consciously choose those too, which would mean there is no "you" since a councious being with no incentives or deterrents, loses shape and devolves into randomness. You don't behave randomly, there are agents beyond your control in your psyche that influence you deterministically, wether you believe they where written into your soul, or believe they result from neural connections, they are self-evident and they define your identity.+1
@7enima682 - 2024-08-24 13:35:56
@arnae9532 first of all - I feel like I left the impression that I'm a dualist. I am not. I'm kinda agnostic, really, but the dualist position has a lot of issues, more than a physicalist one, so I'm still leaning physicalist (although we would need new physics that could contain qualia in itself) the thing is, is that if we agree that qualia and phenomenal consciousness are something special (whether you're a physicalist or a dualist - its origin is really unimportant rn), as in, possess a set of properties that haven't been seen in any other object in the external world, then we really have a problem with that kind of extrapolation. If a car wheel breaks off on a road or something like that, it's very reasonable to assume that there was a deterministic reason to that - because that's how the classical physical world works. But if I'm making a choice, thinking about a problem, reflecting upon my emotional biases - I am, self-evidently, not interacting with objects made of matter, but with objects in my mind, with, as we have established from the first proposition, a completely different set of properties. How can I, then, simply handwave it to some "agents beyond my control", as I did with the car wheel? "Handwaving" is not even being derogatory here, as every determinist just invokes complexity in this case. It's not an accusation of being dishonest, because if we assume determinism is true it makes sense to do that, it's just definitionally what is happening here. If I'd like to say that I actually can reflect, observe my biases that would hinder my decision making and consciously change them under the influence of arguments both external and conjured entirely by my mind, you can just go "oh, there probably was some other thing that made you do that. What exactly? Idk, it's immeasurably complex, I'm only human and my brain is limited - I can't know!". What can I actually do to disprove it? Say that it's a qualitatively different thing? "Evolutionary stuff, adaptation", or whatever. You could say that I'm genetically inclined to think this way and whatnot, but you probably see the issue here - determinism unjustifiably subsumes everything unto itself by incessant handwaving justified by invoking complexity. There is nothing I can do to pierce this. And idk, I choose to believe my eyes and ears and brain somewhat - they gave us everything we've got as a civilization and a lot to me personally, so probably they reflect at least some truth. Tying it into free will. Do I assert that it exists? Nope. Do I think that we even have a good definition of it? ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOT MAN HOLY JESUS. But most of the things about our minds (which is the only type of object that people intuitively consider both non-deterministic and non-random) is genuinely mysterious and not understood, so explaining them in mechanistic terms is, imo, hasty at the very least+1
@gulaschnikov5335 - 2024-06-24 13:35:57
No logical argument in favor of free will in this video.. still searching.. but it's mostly always the same.+2
@nightmarebananaful - 2024-06-24 13:35:57
If exactly as described, then sure that could be seen as depressing. But scrolling through the comments, it looks like this is not the only way to look at it. It's a distinction between philosophically knowing that it cannot be demonstrated that you could of done anything differently and understanding that with the experience that you have now that you could change the result. Put simpler, understand you don't but live as if you do.+1
@kirglow4639 - 2024-12-24 13:35:57
It's not edgy. It's just a yes or no question, is there free will or not, - and neither answer is edgy or depends on how popular it is. The answer is actually easy to figure out: simply ask yourself, do I have a free will and start noticing what's happening in your consciousness. You'll notice some feeling of agency. Ask yourself, am I in charge of this feeling, or does it simply arise without anyone doing anything? What you'll notice will give you the correct answer to the question+1
@BlinDrats187 - 2023-06-24 13:35:58
Right+1
@c4call - 2023-06-24 13:35:58
Nah its still all a chain reaction. NECESSARILY, if you accept that what "you" "are", is fully summarized in the physical makeup of what "you" are (including material and energetic components, even energetic vibration and the moment-by-moment makeup of neural and chemical reactions), you also have to accept that "what" you are is your own responsibility, and burden, and blessing. You cannot "blame" or externalize the responsibility for how you react to circumstances, because the circumstances are influencing you, precisely because it is YOU reacting to those circumstances. The machine that is "you" is the source and cause of the reactions. It's the mass and shape of the object that determines how it reacts with gravity and friction that causes it to fall through the air at its given rate, not the gravity or air itself. YOU are the system existing, and reacting to the systems and variables around you. You are responsible even for the things that happen to you because you existed in THAT time and space. "responsibility" has to do with how you "respond", or your "response". In other words, youre responsible for your own reactions. ideas and thoughts are all a part of this. But all that being said, Your perception cannot exist outside of your own self, and so your choices are still "yours". Which does mean that for all intents and purposes, you still have a "will" that is unique. It is not "free" any more than tree is "free" from having the air blow against its leaves, and based on the shape of the leaves, be more or less prone to falling over in that wind. The WILL of any object, including living objects like you, that can perceive existence as a "subject", is inextricably tied to your nature, which is a word to summarize the fullness of your properties and how those properties react with the enviroment around you. You are responsible not only for how you react to your environment, but also for the environment that you are in.+2
@Jmhawks - 2023-06-24 13:35:58
If you were to play devils advocte on your beliefs, what questions would you ask?+2
@ibmicroapple9142 - 2023-06-24 13:35:58
Man, that weather is beautiful - are you waiting for the best days in the year to record videos or is it always sunny in P̶h̶i̶l̶a̶d̶e̶l̶p̶h̶i̶a̶ Runescape mans forest?+3
@SubvertTheState - 2023-06-24 13:35:58
I don't believe in free will, but the belief in free will is a necessary game to play, for all of us, in order to have understood causes, effects, acts and consequences, we need to act as though we and everyone else could choose either thing. I do also believe that your point about being lazy is what you need to say in order to feel like everything you've done was the product of will. While thats true to an extent, its also because i cant watch videos from people who have tried and failed at everything because failed youtube channels will never be seen due to an uncontrollable force guiding our online existence called: Blessed be His Name Our Lord Algorithm+1
@buddy.boyo88 - 2023-06-24 13:35:58
this is how I see the free will question - if the will is free, our thoughts and instincts must be not created or determined by preexisting causes. - if they were created and determined they would not be free to exist - for our thoughts to be free they must be spontaneously self-created or acausal - if acausal events exist, then we don't need god to explain reality. nature exists acausaly. without being pushed into existence. - if the will is free then causality is not true. if causality is not true we don't need prior explanations for reality. -if causality is true then the human will must also be caused and determined to exist - every thought premeditating every action was determined to exist. therefore not free to spontaneously self-create . secondly, from a christian perspective: - even if god exists free will still doesn't exist - if our will (desires, instincts, emotions) was created by god. then it was him that determined the will to exist. - we are expressing god's will one way or another. if we do good deeds it was actually god who did them through us as puppet tools. “For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.” - created to do good, explicitly teleological and not autonomous. good deeds are god's deeds. - and if we do bad deeds, we also do god's will : " One of you will say to me: 'Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?" - who can resist his will, not our will. because our will is implanted in our minds by god and must be directly god's will. unless we could create our own will which would make us on par with god. - if you do good all the credit goes to god, if you do bad also all the responsibility goes to god. he is behind everything. " Therefore God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden"+1
@epix4300 - 2023-06-24 13:35:58
good video luke+1
@joshpollack5936 - 2025-06-03 13:35:58
God hates cowards and rewards unified consciousness (thoughts emotions and actions aligned) EVEN IF YOU ARE UNIFIED IN A NEGATIVE WAY+1
@Jack-in9zm - 2023-06-24 13:35:58
On the concept itself (the validity of which you didn't go into) - yeah, of course in every decision you will be predisposed by your environment to make a certain choice. So where is the free will then? Some may say this statement is unfalsifiable - if there did indeed exist a free will, what would it look like? For me the true free will would be having an ability to explore every avenue of a choice before committing to any one option. So practically the ability to go back in time. That way no environmental factors influence your decision - you are fully informed of the consequences of each outcome, and it is only up to you to make the final choice. Without that, there is no free will to speak of. Freedom is the absence of constraints. Absolute freedom would be an ability to will things into existence, to shape reality. And absolute free choice would be the ability to travel back in time. So what are the ethical, social, political implications of this? Well, people are not entirely responsible for their choices - they may be victims of circumstance. But when they do make the wrong choice, recognize the fact that it makes them a bad person, and conciously decide not to change - then they are just a bad person, due to circumstance or not. And in the end what matters is what kind of person somebody is. If they are a bad person, if they take advantage of others - I want little to do with them regardless of the cause of their moral failings. But with that said, I am interested in there being more good people, because that would make my life better. So I am interested in changing the environment in a way that would push people down the good path. Some people may use hard determinism as a way to justify their procrastination. I am more honest with myself, when I procrastinate - I admit that to myself, no hard determinism needed to justify that. And yes, I would be interested in hearing you explore the concept of hard determinism.+1
@perfectlyroundcircle - 2024-06-24 13:35:58
It's entirely your own problem if you view determinism as negative, because it doesn't have to be, and for me it isn't. Everything now being a result of what happened before isn't an excuse not to enjoy the experience of life.+1
@ψευδάνερ - 2023-06-24 13:35:58
the Luke smith that lives in my head smokes weed and talks to me about zsh+2
@ArtisticLayman - 2023-06-24 13:35:58
If anything temps me toward apathy its disbelief, not Calvinism.+3
@pgr212121 - 2024-09-24 13:35:58
You didn't really give a convincing argument against.+2
@cherubin7th - 2023-06-24 13:35:58
Free will doesn't mean randomness. It could be itself deterministic. Like I would say yes to the cake. Doesn't mean my will is not free, I just like cake. But I will say no to some type of cakes that I don't like.+3
@YeloPartyHat - 2024-08-24 13:35:58
I misread this as "The red pill on free wifi"+1
@BasedPureblood - 2023-06-24 13:35:58
Determinism is truth. Otherwise it would be impossible to make behavioural predicting algorithms. Only some outliers break the mould and control history. If somebody is whining despite having opportunities open to them, it's their fault not mine and it proves in the grand scheme of things they are like dung, as the Buddha says.+1
@PPAChao - 2023-06-24 13:35:58
The fulfillment of one's free will is to submit to and, it follows, actively participate in the will of God.+1
@felix6401-j5n - 2023-06-24 13:35:58
everything is set into motion since the beginning of time. you wrong, fren see: all is determined, but you should act as if there was free will.+1
@SupremeLeader673 - 2023-06-24 13:35:58
I am an "edgy atheist" and I believe in free will, due to combining Physics with Economics. Combine Schrodinger's Cat and Mixed-Strategy Nash Equilibrium, you get that Human decision making is genuinely random. The "rational" strategy must be genuinely random in certain games. Therefore it cannot be deterministic.+1
@leonardooriettidelduca626 - 2023-06-24 13:35:58
If the matter that makes up your body determines what you do, then you determine what you do, because you are that matter. So free will is not an illusion, but a scientific truth.+2
@goawqebt6931 - 2023-06-24 13:35:58
He is not materialist, obviously+1
@user-or4ut2qi3q - 2023-06-24 13:35:58
He lives in Minecraft+2
@SubvertTheState - 2023-06-24 13:35:59
And on and on and on back and forth with reasons why and why not. The debate is nearly pointless unless you truly believe that you are incapable of anything BECAUSE you don't have free will. Your brain is simply taking free will and rationalizing an easier or selfish behavior by way of arguing against free will. Lol ahhhhh+1
@LukeSmithxyz - 2023-06-24 13:35:59
Predestination vs. free will vs. synergism/monergism are three totally different theological issues. Christians are predestinarian and synergistic. Calvinists are predestinarian and monergistic. Free will (in the Augustinian definition) is something totally different from both of these questions and what you think here. Calvin believed in free will before the fall.+2
@buddy.boyo88 - 2023-06-24 13:35:59
@LukeSmithxyz yes, but that's because these guys wanted to have their cake and eat it too.+1
@LukeSmithxyz - 2023-06-24 13:35:59
That's dumb. They are all logically distinct. Just because people get them confused for lack of precision or thought doesn't make them the same.+1
@buddy.boyo88 - 2023-06-24 13:35:59
@LukeSmithxyz could you explain the problem of simultaneous predestination and synergy. I've never heard someone do it. i think it's a genuine paradox.+1
@your-mom-irl - 2023-06-24 13:35:59
This is like saying a motor has free will because although the gears always turn in the same way depending on how much gas you burn, it's still free will because the gears "like" turning like that or something+2
@linuxramblingproductions8554 - 2024-06-24 13:36:00
That doesn’t mean free will is true how is something freely chosen if it is chosen randomly?+1
@old_account189 - 2023-06-24 13:36:00
People justify their sins by blaming it on predetermined outcomes etc... They can be idiots and whatnot, they dont even try.+5
@kurku3725 - 2023-06-24 13:36:00
it is quite easy to provide the concept of a world that looks deterministic to the spectator but in fact a lot of free will is involved: basically every subset of reality would be a free-willed entity and vice versa: complex enough deterministic system could look indistinguishable from the world with free will so I just believe it is a matter of interpretation: likewise whether the world is continuous or discrete so use the appropriate model for each of your purposes+2
@iLinked - 2023-06-24 13:36:00
Another great redgie ed-pill+2
@Spookspek - 2023-06-24 13:36:00
Nah. Free will is all made up. And I'm still responsible for everything, since responsibility is made up along with it. It's all a game, but there's nothing to gain by not playing.+2
@funknotik - 2025-06-03 13:36:00
Everything happens for no reason, have fun.+1
@talkingrefugees3845 - 2023-06-24 13:36:00
Im always curious by how orderly the trees are growing in the background. Farmed?+1
@solitary-dude - 2023-06-24 13:36:00
Really enjoying the christpilled folks rising to the surface and sharing their thoughts. The older I get the more it makes sense.+4
@888ssss - 2023-06-24 13:36:00
i chose to only work part time, being there are no affordable homes. that was not free will, it was reactionary.+1
@markkennedy9767 - 2023-06-24 13:36:00
I don't really see how what you describe follows from no free will. I don't believe in free will (I suppose I am a materialist) but even without free will you can still experience life and strive as if you could change things (if only to feel like you have some agency...I mean I can't see the logic in just giving in to apathy and blaming everything that happens to you on fatalism just because no free will exists. Even then it's only a belief that free will doesn't exist based on materialism (everything is physically determined etc)). I would never say for certain free will doesn't exist. I always think of the problem in terms of how much is knowable anyway. A human being can never have complete predictive power so in that sense although free will may not exist, they may as well act as if they have free will. Is there even any real way of determining whether free will exists or not apart from an intuition about physics and how a biological system fits in all this. So until we have complete predictive power (including the ability to predict what we will do in the next moment- complete self-knowledge essentially) it's kinda moot. Having complete knowledge of oneself and what they're going to do next is surely contradictory though. So unless you are some oracle objectively outside of a system that includes you, you many as well act like you have free will.+2
@jamesstaggs4160 - 2023-06-24 13:36:00
Yeah I became a material reductionist after decades of trying to figure out what's really going on here. It required me to ignore quite a few of my own experiences but all the outside evidence pointed towards it. After I continued to search I reversed my position, which actually kinda sucked because I was at peace with the idea that when things die they're just gone and matter gave rise to all emergent properties. If I could I'd go back there but it's too late now. I've seen, read and experienced too much to do that.+3
@bhektiivan9505 - 2023-06-24 13:36:00
Free will implies responsibility. Responsibility implies consequences. Consequences implies logic. Logic implies Laws. Laws implies free will. That's the pre-determined setting.+1
@tacitus_ - 2023-06-24 13:36:00
I don't think physics is incompatible with free will. Reactions aren't deterministic but probabilistic, so even the purely secular perspective can allow for free will.+1
@sushimidget840 - 2024-06-24 13:36:00
If God knew everything that was going to happen before it happened, down to every movement and detail, surely my own free will is just something that feels real from my point of view?+1
@Deapcrash101 - 2023-06-24 13:36:00
Are you gonna make more videos on moving to the country? I think the housing market is probably nearing peak bubble now.+1
@Sever3dHead - 2023-06-24 13:36:00
I wonder whether atheism and depression correlate.+7
@biswadeepdey106 - 2023-06-24 13:36:00
I had convinced myself that I had no free will, back when I was an atheist. I was foolish and lazy.+2
@beerus6779 - 2023-06-24 13:36:00
I think the strongest argument against free will is that the self is a disunity rather than a unity. There are multiple competing drives in a person. This is why Christians believe that the material world and the body is inherently sinful. "For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do." - Romans 7:19+2
@andljoy - 2023-06-24 13:36:00
There are events outside of your control for sure. But to say you have no free will its just a massive cop out for your own failure. " oh my failure is not my fault, as i don't have any free will"+1
@sirzorg5728 - 2023-06-24 13:36:00
compatibilism is the biggest cope.+2
@jesuschristislord6790 - 2023-06-24 13:36:00
The only free will you have is to serve Jesus or serve Satan. Those are the two options of free will.+2
@mskiptr - 2023-06-24 13:36:01
I think he talked about this in one of his stream | videos. It was something about making a contract with some company that farms trees. He (| his neighbors) own that land and get money from it on a yearly basis.+3
@talkingrefugees3845 - 2023-06-24 13:36:01
@mskiptr interesting. I was offered same but was like $20+1
@mskiptr - 2023-06-24 13:36:01
@GospodinStanoje Sorry, I have no idea+1
@samusaran7317 - 2023-06-24 13:36:01
feels+1
@henlofren7321 - 2023-06-24 13:36:01
@Jaime Kurzweg You can't have any level of determinism without completely destroying free will. "Free" is binary, it's not situational, relative, or measured by a percentage. Either you're free, or you're not.+1
@henlofren7321 - 2023-06-24 13:36:01
@Jaime Kurzweg "Limitations" and "free" don't mix. It's really that simple, maybe you should come up with another term for it. How about "Limited will"?+1
@chocolateneko9912 - 2023-06-24 13:36:01
Would make a lot of sense if they do+4
@porky1118 - 2023-06-24 13:36:02
I don't believe in free will, I am an atheist, but I wouldn't consider myself foolish nor lazy.+1
@biswadeepdey106 - 2024-09-24 13:36:02
@porky1118 neither did I+1
@porky1118 - 2024-09-24 13:36:02
@biswadeepdey106 I don't agree anymore to what I wrote back then. Maybe I just wasn't clear enough. I didn't think completely different. I only don't think, not having free will is an excuse to be foolish or lazy. Not having free will means that how you act is determined by your circumstances. So if you misinterpret not having free will to mean that whatever you do, it will turn out the same, then you will likely be foolish and lazy.+1
@BobofWOGGLE - 2023-06-24 13:36:03
Free Will is a movie about a young man releasing an orca from seaworld to a michael jackson soundtrack, nothing more.+2
@jonmustang - 2025-05-24 13:36:03
Do you think that there's a consciousness-based model of reality that is also against freewill? I know a lot of the yogic philosophy says that the One, unified, eternal being/consciousness is "in charge" of the playout of all phenomenon. So it's both spiritual and fatalistic at the same time.+1
@adampit8214 - 2023-06-24 13:36:03
Quantum uncertainty and wavefunction collapss+3
@fan_juggler - 2023-06-24 13:36:03
Physics professor here :D Well, even in the most particle-focused sense, events are highly non-deterministic, if only for quantum indeterministic reasons. When we speak about macroscopic phenomena, let alone something like human life, it's completely meaningless to discuss if it's deterministic because it depends on such a vast pool of random parameters and events that for all practical purposes human life is highly random and indeterministic. God or no God, but our random decisions every second truly define our actions and life events. In conclusion, I'd say it's more a question of whether life is determined by randomness of surrounding world than the question of whether life is predetermined (because for all practical purposes it's not).+2
@gravitascascade5798 - 2023-06-24 13:36:03
Sure it's horrible, sure it's cope, but is it true? If it is, then all objections from practical standpoint fall flat and ethics becomes a fancy castle that you are not capable of building because you have no fitting foundation.+1
@JewishSpy - 2023-06-24 13:36:03
Thanks for the pep talk Coach. I'll try to be a protagonist later today+1
@dtskdtsk8599 - 2023-06-24 13:36:03
You may not have free reign but you certainly have free will. Great video as always.+11
@hash-CCFF00 - 2024-06-24 13:36:03
a sane american has been spotted in the wild woooooa+2
@nathan-franck-invests - 2023-06-24 13:36:03
I've led my life for the last 8 years with this concept - there are around 10 points in your life where you're going to have a big decision that will change your life and the lives of others forever. The rest of life is training for those moments - to get stronger, smarter, more knowledgable, more attentive, more kind - so that you will recognize these moments when they occur and be able to act on them in the right way. Before I was in a basement rental alone, now I'm living in my own house with my wife and kid, close to my parents and inlaws. So it's worked out well for me+6
@benj6964 - 2023-06-24 13:36:03
The language of metaphysics has nothing to bring to everyday life decisions+1
@porky1118 - 2023-06-24 13:36:03
1:20 Does it matter if there is something else than matter? Even if there is something else than matter, maybe a soul, it would work under some specific rules. It would react to the outside world and influence it. I can't remember if I thought, I'm smart or edgy. It just seems like the only realistic view. Other than determinism, there could only be randomness, which is definitely not free will. 2:05 The idea, that there is no free will is part of that deterministic process. If you believe it and act as if there is no free will, it will influence your life. I think, I never thought, the lack of a free will is an excuse for anything.+1
@ArmandoCalderon - 2023-06-24 13:36:03
We all proyect our showdows. It better to accept our flaws and other ones.+1
@segefjord - 2023-06-24 13:36:03
I believe in hard determinism and free will 🙂 I think you're brushing too quickly over how they are mutually exclusive, but I'd argue differently. It can all be just a chemical reaction, that also goes on in the brain. The reaction in the brain is influenced by your consciousness, which is where free will stems from.+4
@StevenOBrien - 2023-06-24 13:36:03
Friend: "Don't worry God, I know you'll do what's best." God: "bro, how many times do I have to keep sending Luke to you to nag you to get off your ass."+4
@ScottishBr4h - 2023-06-24 13:36:03
Thanks for shouting out my cousin Reginald Eddpillington+1
@netsaosa4973 - 2023-06-24 13:36:03
I liked the video+1
@hopscotchoblivion7564 - 2024-06-24 13:36:03
Based Pelagian Augustine was wrong+1
@chadpilled7913 - 2025-06-10 13:36:03
Listens to Rush once:+1
@cj548 - 2023-06-24 13:36:03
I'm much smarter than you so I will explain as they did when I went to kindergarten. All phenomena is objective. The self is subjective.+3
@sanjacobs6261 - 2023-06-24 13:36:03
L take. Ideas such as "you should act", "procrastination is bad" and "you are responsible for what happens in your life" are absolutely not mutually exclusive with determinism.+3
@porky1118 - 2023-06-24 13:36:03
This wouldn't explain free will.+2
@henlofren7321 - 2023-06-24 13:36:03
@porky1118 Nor would it refute determinism. Bohmian mechanics is pretty cool :)+2
@porky1118 - 2023-06-24 13:36:03
@henlofren7321 I don't disagree. When I prepared a presentation about quantum computers, I also thought Bohemian mechanics to be the most obvious. But I didn't get too much into it, so mostly because I wanted to believe in determinism. I also like the many worlds theory, mostly because it would allow scifi stuff, even if it's only possible to send a single bit of information between these worlds (I'm trying to write a story about that). But I think the most believable theory is the one that uses geometric algebra (I don't remember the name), because GA is good at simplifying some complex physics stuff into a simple set of rules.+1
@sillymesilly - 2023-06-24 13:36:03
You have full control and f yourself and decision to lead your life. Everything else forget about it+1
@exnihilonihilfit6316 - 2024-06-24 13:36:04
that's such b.s.+1
@mskiptr - 2023-06-24 13:36:04
What if it didn't operate under some specific rules? It's hard to think about it, but how can we be sure everything follows concrete laws? 'Random' is kinda ambiguous, so it can be slapped on anything that is nondeterministic, even in it's slightest sense. Like are nondeterministic finite automata random? They are equivalent to deterministic finite automata if you swap their states for sets of states. They do follow concrete rules, because they are mathematical entities – even if we call them nondeterministic. Is quantum mechanics random or deterministic? Assuming the Copenhagen interpretation, it has elements of randomness, but it can be precisely described using deterministic, mathematical models. Even probability itself is precise and deterministic. It is built out of sets, numbers and measure theory. It's precise and deterministic because math is – even though we can use it for describing 'unpredictable' events, when we can measure some of their properties or (logically) understand their behavior. My point is, this sentence is wrong: > Other than determinism, there could only be randomness, which is definitely not free will. It conflates ambiguous 'randomness' with precise probability. The latter indeed isn't free will[0], but it isn't the only thing left besides determinism. There could be other things that are not deterministic and are not following clear rules you can accurately describe with probability theory. Also I don't think it's warranted to call things like that 'random'. It makes us take certain assumptions that are really related to probability. Ultimately, I don't think free will could be accurately modeled using mathematics, and thus cannot exist if there's nothing besides physic. I respect your opinion if you believe everything follows specific rules and can be expressed using mathematical models. It's a pretty reasonable stance to take. It's just impossible to prove, because any such proof will require 'concrete rules' as an assumption. 0: Though it could be compatible with it. If you axiomatically assume some free-will oracle (just like automata theory and computer science often assume 'an oracle solving problem X') – that is, a function mapping specific states of a person to their 'free-will' decision – together with e.g. fully deterministic, XIXth century physics, you could try adjusting things like gravitational constant, electric charges of particles, etc. so that the atoms making up the body of such person behave according to these 'free-will decisions'. A similar construction could be conjured for quantum mechanics. It would probably be even easier, since there's a lot of wiggle room in the 'randomness' of the wave function collapse. (Instead of slightly adjusting the universe constants, you could just 'rig' the probability outcomes.) Do I believe in this? Not really. It's a really dumb model. It would be kinda ugly if that was the case. But hey! It works, is logically sound, and yet would give us concrete laws of physics, compatible with some arbitrary 'free will'.+1
@porky1118 - 2023-06-24 13:36:04
@mskiptr It's difficult to answer such a long text properly, and I don't want to spend half an hour on this. Yeah, theoretically there could be a third option. What is this option? At least I can't think of one, that's not determinism nor randomness. Even if you'd say, quantum mechanics will change the chances to get some specific outcome, maybe one where humanity doesn't get extinct, maybe because of a god, maybe because what people think will more likely become true. It could still be described as some kind of determinism, even if it's on a metaphysical layer.+1
@mskiptr - 2023-06-24 13:36:04
@porky1118 Yeah. Now that I look at the length of that, I'm kinda overwhelmed myself lol > Yeah, theoretically there could be a third option. I think you got my point here. Nice > What is this option? At least I can't think of one, that's not determinism nor randomness. I can't think of one either. Still, one is required for free will to be possible. I think the reason we won't be able to come up with one and put it into words is that it would need to follow clear rules – while the whole point is that it doesn't. Language and thought are related to concrete descriptions. Maybe we will be able to describe some properties of such third option, but ultimately this task is futile. > Even if you'd say, quantum mechanics will change the chances to get some specific outcome, maybe one where humanity doesn't get extinct, maybe because of a god, maybe because what people think will more likely become true. It could still be described as some kind of determinism, even if it's on a metaphysical layer. I think you misunderstood me here. My point was a bit different. Quantum mechanics is in general deterministic (especially under the Everetian interpretation, but even the Copenhagen one is just probability theory). I'm not claiming free will stems from quantum effects. I brought QM to a) show an example of kinda random thing that is still rather deterministic, and to b) show how some 'free will' outside of physics could be made compatible with our observations by 'rigging' physics accordingly. (still long, but I hope it's clearer now)+2
@mskiptr - 2023-06-24 13:36:04
@porky1118 Oh, and one little thing I forgot: Things not necessarily following clear laws is different from logic being wrong. The latter one (maybe) could be true, but it's just an awful can of worms so let's not touch it. (what would 'true' even mean then?)+1
@Coffe789 - 2023-06-24 13:36:04
Yeah this is how I always thought of it. I would even argue that determinism is the source of free will. If the universe is non-deterministic, then your biology (your brain and consciousness) no longer has absolute control over your actions, as there is a random element at play.+3
@segefjord - 2025-06-13 13:36:04
Lol coming back to watch this again and found my comment. How silly I was. I'm talking about "consciousness" in this comment which is not a deterministic idea at all, it's a spiritual idea. Yeah clearly I was coping about my own spirituality. Clearly I don't believe in hard determinism.+1
@LukeSmithxyz - 2023-06-24 13:36:05
I don't think you got the point of the video. It is irrelevant to whether hard determinism holds or not. I simply mentioned that determinism is a convenient rationalization, whether true or not.+2
@sanjacobs6261 - 2023-06-24 13:36:05
@LukeSmithxyz Aha. Well, then I don't see why mentioning determinism makes sense, as your only examples seemed to be those of people leaving it up to God and fate. Not people who were aware that their actions would be the cause for an effect on the world, which is what I would expect from a non-stupid determinist.+1
@ironclad445 - 2023-06-24 13:36:05
We are pre-determined to control our own lives. checkmate+1
@nvrprfct9176 - 2023-06-24 13:36:05
seeing your thumbnail, thought I'd mention: calvinists believe in free will. westminster confession, chapter 3: "God from all eternity did by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so as thereby neither is God the author of sin; ***nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures***, nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established."+2
@scythermantis - 2023-06-24 13:36:05
Luke, thank you so much for turning me on to the thoughts of Paul Feyerabend, and also Bruno Latour, Paul Ricoeur, Michael Polanyi, etc. in the first place... Also Charles Sanders Peirce and William Poteat. God Bless, brother. I think I did e-mail you a while back but I'm sure that you have too many people to respond to.+1
@conormartin2477 - 2023-06-24 13:36:05
If you believe in hard determinism then it allows you to justify absolutely everything (not trying, giving up). But if your a Free Willer when those excuses go out the window and the responsibility that it gives you in accepting that will light a fire under your belly like nothing else will.+2
@atypicalambience3487 - 2023-06-24 13:36:05
What does free will feel like?+2
@albertpiekarski4569 - 2023-06-24 13:36:05
Love that autoreaction after what he's said 10:28 . This sentence followed by that giggle is truly the most wholesome thing I've heard since ages, for some reason..+10
@paulallen1931 - 2023-06-24 13:36:05
Not Related, PLEASE+2
@Witnessmoo - 2024-06-24 13:36:05
How do you get over the material nature of the universe though? The atoms in your brain etc really do make you a biological robot from a material perspective… so where does the magic come in? If it’s just complexity, that doesn’t take away from the material nature of the universe and the biological robotic nature of our reality+1
@Yaas_ok123 - 2024-06-24 13:36:05
If you want revelation chech Soteriology101 Ali Bonner interview. Augustin brought new doctrines to church from pagan philosophy. That destroyed biblical free will in many places. Ken Wilson has also proved same thing. Blessings from Finland.+1
@Swenthorian - 2023-06-24 13:36:05
I actually misread the title as "The REAL Red-Pill on Free *Wifi*", and was expecting a talk on how most free WiFi hotspots are stealing our data or something, lol.+2
@JNTX2008 - 2025-05-24 13:36:05
Did Luke become an Ortho Bro priest?+1
@ecclesiastesxyz - 2023-06-24 13:36:05
my favorite youtuber+1
@abigalanderson7494 - 2023-06-24 13:36:05
I thought it said free wifi at first lol good rant though+2
@JustMe-ux5zg - 2023-06-24 13:36:05
The video I didn't know I needed. Thanks again Luke!+2
@horiciOwO - 2023-06-24 13:36:05
i stopped browsing e621 instantly when i saw the recommendation+1
@steelplexfyro - 2023-06-24 13:36:05
Corporate election not individual election IMO+1
@tru2thastyle - 2023-06-24 13:36:05
It's a sin not to do what God made you for. He won't force you to.+1
@ministerofjoy - 2023-06-24 13:36:05
What you dont get about determinism is that, being that the premise every single line of thinking is already determined, even the one you act uppon and conceide yourself as a premedited choice. Ask yourself how it can Not be determined by anyting else, how it would need to be detached from the works of the universe and its deterministic properties.+3
@astrazenica7783 - 2023-06-24 13:36:05
I believe in a creator God but I don't believe in free will. Free will is a mirage. God set everything up, we are but ants+2
@sasakanjuh7660 - 2023-06-24 13:36:05
Luke, the redgy edpiller!+2
@RippDrive - 2023-06-24 13:36:06
It feels the way cedar trees smell.+1
@atypicalambience3487 - 2023-06-24 13:36:06
@RippDrive Guess I don't have it.+1
@someoneelse4811 - 2024-06-24 13:36:06
It shows he truly believes what he's saying. You don't often see that kind of optimism on a grim subject.+2
@porky1118 - 2023-06-24 13:36:06
Why do you believe in a creator god if it's not the Christian god?+1
@michaeljones1686 - 2023-06-24 13:36:07
Quantum physics is non-deterministic+2
@goldengriffon - 2025-04-24 13:36:07
At the time of upload, Knight ETF Trading hadn't existed for a decade. Curious. 🙂+1
@TheMadVentriloquist - 2023-06-24 13:36:07
Take your free will and try to make it mesh with these verses: Pro 16:9 A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps. Jer 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps. Pro 19:21 There are many devices in a man's heart; nevertheless the counsel of the LORD, that shall stand. Pro 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?+1
@medleysa - 2023-06-24 13:36:07
So where does God’s sovereignty fit into this? Are you suggesting Open Theism, or is it that God has foreknowledge (or middle knowledge, or something similar) and allows us free will, from our perspective?+1
@JimmyArogen - 2023-06-24 13:36:07
Darn, you are not on utreon 😢+1
@VidyaBrain-YT-Channel - 2023-06-24 13:36:07
did a video on this topic+1
@patheadroom7072 - 2023-06-24 13:36:07
Bro, three videos in the last 24 hours for me to consoom?+1
@anonymous82783 - 2023-06-24 13:36:07
Why not use determinism to our advandage? "I don't have any choice; I have to become a godlike programmer/artist/athlete."+1
@Dorn_Mighty - 2023-06-24 13:36:07
My mom doesn't know how God works and has fatalism to make things easier for her as it does not. I never had used fatalism as an excuse when I was a child. I will try my say on my doctors in the next doctor's appointment to avoid getting vaccinated again for the flu shot due to the winter season.+1
@davidleeputman - 2024-06-24 13:36:07
Free will is true. You have choices. There are consequences for our actions. God knows our heart, he will open the door, not make you walk through it. He will test you. Look at the book of Job. Everything does happen for a reason but only because people perish for lack of knowledge and choose their own will.+1
@Itsmespiv4192 - 2023-06-24 13:36:07
So now free will is individual responsibility+1
@gilgabro420 - 2023-06-24 13:36:07
i life like i have free will but i am relatively sure that we don't.+1
@gyattrizzV - 2024-06-24 13:36:07
Me knowing that I dont really have free will and also acting as if I do is all part of the hard determined simulation+1
@R3AktoRMacedonia - 2023-06-24 13:36:07
This is a 10 min, of incoherent mumbling. It may as well be 3 min. long. I wouldn't sacrifice quality just to satisfy "duhAlgorithm"+2
@alexeytelepnev9582 - 2023-06-24 13:36:07
should i talk with Christian about why i don't belive in God? Christianity is a part of my views in life, but idea that God exist, and wasn't created by people feels very unrealistic.+1
@ibmicroapple9142 - 2023-06-24 13:36:07
>Knight ETF Trading Wait what? Is Luke a hedgie now?+3
@victorprokop9343 - 2023-06-24 13:36:07
free will doesn`t actually exist physically as a thing we can grab free will could be an abstraction on top of the neurological circuitry process but its definetely there, maybe tho, it isn`t an innate part of of persona things are unfair sometimes and we just have to deal with it at the end of the day, regardless of free will I don`t even think about fatality and ultimate destiny anymore. It doesn`t matter. Why bother with it when i could be doing something i am motivated to do and live according to what i know is right+2
@SS-qk8oc - 2025-05-24 13:36:07
Luke is the I Ching oracle today+1
@Refresh5406 - 2023-06-24 13:36:07
I noticed that you didn't offer a single biblical reference at all in defense of your beliefs. Theologically, libertarian free will inevitably leads to one of several possible conclusions, none of which are biblical or true at all: 1) Universalism (all will eventually freely choose God and His will remains untarnished) 2) Open theism / process theology (God doesn't actually know the future and/or changes, which is a functional form of...) 3) Atheism (the God of the Bible just can't exist, because if He did, He's neither omniscient nor omnipotent, due to the fact that He doesn't know the future and failed to achieve what he set out to achieve). The only coherent version of free will from a Christian perspective is the type of compatibilism that Jonathan Edwards, noted high Calvinist espoused, that we freely choose according to our strongest desire. That is the Calvinist view. It's not "fatalism," it's a fundamentally differnet thing. We do not determine the future, that has all been set in stone from the foundation of the universe by God. If we can change the future, we invalidate God's knowledge and functionally undo His existence. The common Arminian conception of "free will" is a blasphemous cope that strikes at very being of God and ought to be repented of. You can't believe in the Bible and deny that God is in full control of all things in His creation, and it's sin to deny that. Oh, also some free advice, your argument that "fatalism is a cope to not do anything" implies that fatalists would somehow believe that they have the choice not to. That is not the case. It's not an "excuse for inaction" they would believe that all of their actions are predetermined. If you want an actual argument against fatalism, then argue that it's an excuse for all bad behavior, which is a much more debatable point, not that it's an excuse to do nothing lol. Terrible argument, my man.+8
@illiiilli24601 - 2023-06-24 13:36:07
Orthodox Christian youth pastor tells you to just do it+1
@samusaran7317 - 2023-06-24 13:36:07
An uncomfortable thing to know.+1
@sukmydikgoogle - 2023-06-24 13:36:08
whats funny is that i have the opposite problem of you.+1
@mskiptr - 2023-06-24 13:36:08
I'd think he just got that for free lol+1
@henlofren7321 - 2023-06-24 13:36:08
Exactly, Christianity is the peak of hard determinism and it's actually one of the best reasons to convert.+4
@LukeSmithxyz - 2023-06-24 13:36:08
God is sovereign and created the human will and agency and the entirely of history is the redemption of that will and the cooperation of it. Predestination (which is what the Bible teaches) is not the same as monergism (which is something that Lutherans and Calvinists invented and contradicts about every exhortation and parable of the Bible). Monergism replaced the redemptive Gospel and installed in its place with Catholic-inspired torture fan-fic where God damns himself to hell. For the exact same reasons that Calvinists denied the synergy of the divine and human will, they also denied the fusion of the divine and material in the Eucharist and sacraments, the divine and human nature of the Church itself and Apostolic Succession, giving rise to modern Protestant ecumenism. Chesteron described Calvinism as the "most non-Christian of Christian systems" because there is only one place it leads. They deny any cooperation between the material and spiritual, which culminates in abdicating all things spiritual. There's a reason that every generation of Calvinists gives birth to a generation of atheists. Note also that Calvin believed in free will. Read the Institutes. He just believed man lost it in the fall. So was God not sovereign back then? Was it "open theism" then and then God became sovereign when we sinned? We can't ask Calvin because he never ever gave a coherent definition free will or of anything, but misunderstood basic theological terminology and made a religion about it. (Note also Calvin denied the eternal generation of the Son because he misunderstood where he read Peter Lombard talk about it, and made a totally new Trinitarian theology because of it).+2
@eucharistenjoyer - 2023-06-24 13:36:09
As an ex-atheist who reverted to Catholicism I'm glad my family wasn't Calvinist. That level of determinism and messed up idea of salvation would bring me right back to atheism in no time.+4
@1ZombieMan1 - 2023-06-24 13:36:09
In a lot of ways, everything just leads to nihilism. So it’s kinda like you have to believe in something.+1
@Blackwingsss - 2023-06-24 13:36:09
3:01 This is false. It seems self-explanatory, but one actually doesn't come from the other if you really think about it.+1
@littletimmythefifth29 - 2023-06-24 13:36:09
Here at 10,413 views. More Luke Smith content to coomsume!?!+1
@leistico - 2023-06-24 13:36:09
I'm just curious about something utterly irrelevant but attention-grabbing. That area where you walk around - all the trees are planted in what looks like an attempt at a perfect grid. Is it like a factory forest where they grow 2x4's?+1
@Official_Random_Guy - 2023-06-24 13:36:09
John 14:6+1
@beauty.of.the.struggle - 2023-06-24 13:36:09
"God helps those who help themselves" -my grandma+2
@Iancreed8592 - 2023-06-24 13:36:09
I don't believe in free will, but I do believe in the illusion of free will. And that the illusion of free will exists for some divine purpose, therefore I respect it.+2
@hugechromepeach7916 - 2024-06-24 13:36:09
Stay Redgie edpilled.+2
@alex_p_101 - 2023-06-24 13:36:09
Did you read some of Rene Descartes's works? 😄+1
@joaovitorcarini226 - 2025-05-24 13:36:09
I will not take the reggie ed pill+1
@PJH-89 - 2023-06-24 13:36:09
LOL I just saw the logo on your jacket.+1
@staticoverlay - 2023-06-24 13:36:09
I don't really believe in complete determinism per say, it's closer to that I'm afraid it's true+1
@gyattrizzV - 2024-06-24 13:36:09
free will is me doing shit and my free will is a chemical reaction which can theoretically be explained+1
@Margen67 - 2023-06-24 13:36:09
birbs+2
@zainjadoon759 - 2023-06-24 13:36:09
If free will does not exist then how does the justice system exist? If I kill somebody I could say that I don't have free will and it is extremely immoral to make me go under terrible conditions for things that I could not control doing.+1
@intothekey - 2023-06-24 13:36:09
I agree that we have moral responsibility but what your describing is hyper Calvinistic. Calvinism is just asserting God's sovereignty.+1
@gxkdykxiyx1985 - 2023-06-24 13:36:09
Calvinists on life support+4
@2PaweL - 2024-06-24 13:36:09
+1+1
@Assault_Butter_Knife - 2023-06-24 13:36:09
Maybe I have an overly technical view on things like these, but to me it seems that while it is obvious that determinism is the driving force in natural world and obviously has an effect on us, you can never really say that it is the main driver behind our decision making. Because if you do go down that route and come to a conclusion that you have no free will, it automatically invalidates this conclusion. Because in that case it wasn't you who independently thought of this, but it was an inevitable conclusion to the infinite causal chain. And admitting to having no free will is obviously not a good thing because it inevitably leads to being a cope for why things are bad for you and why you never do anything to improve. Embracing fatalism is the single most dehumanizing thing one can do, it is essentially admitting defeat in everything. And let us not forget that choosing to do nothing is still making a choice! Also as you yourself noted, having experienced both ends I do find it funny how in both deepest depression and at the same at the highest spirit one has this 'things are beyond my control' attitude+3
@ALBtheALBatross - 2023-06-24 13:36:09
No will of man is outside God's will. Source: the Bible "So, God controls everything. How can He blame people for sinning?" Romans 9 walks through explaining someone in your position to God's position: Rom 9.19 You will then say to me, Why does He yet find fault? For who has resisted His will? Rom 9.20 Yes, rather, O man, who are you answering against God? Shall the thing formed say to the One forming it, Why did You make me like this? Rom 9.21 Or does not the potter have authority over the clay, out of the one lump to make one vessel to honor, and one to dishonor?+4
@ALBtheALBatross - 2023-06-24 13:36:09
Rom 9.15 For He said to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will pity whomever I will pity." Rom 9.16 So, then, it is not of the one willing, nor of the one running, but of the One showing mercy, of God.+4
@porky1118 - 2023-06-24 13:36:09
What's the alternative? Randomness? You just do something random, no matter what the world around you is like? Determinism would at least be closer to free will than randomness.+1
@henlofren7321 - 2023-06-24 13:36:10
Your concept of morality is itself a product of determinism. Just because some criminal can't control themselves doesn't mean that the judge suddenly can. Their judgement is also deterministic.+3
@henlofren7321 - 2023-06-24 13:36:10
Embracing fatalism is simply embracing the truth. You can lie to yourself if you think it will be better for you, but call it what it is: A LIE.+1
@Assault_Butter_Knife - 2023-06-24 13:36:10
@henlofren7321 you are contradicting yourself, for if determinism is truly the way by which our minds work than it makes no difference whether one embraces it. By your philosophy it makes no difference either to me or to you or to anybody whether I accept or refuse to believe this, as I am unable to incorporate it in my decisionmaking since it all is predetermined+1
@henlofren7321 - 2023-06-24 13:36:10
@Assault_Butter_Knife No, determinism only gives you more reason to understand the causes of events so that you can adjust yourself accordingly. If you believe in free will, anything bad that happens in this world must seem even more immutable. You would have to justify anything bad happening as just the "free will" of someone else at work and there is nothing you could have done to stop/change it (otherwise their will wouldn't be free).+1
@Assault_Butter_Knife - 2023-06-24 13:36:10
@henlofren7321 yea and I don't get what's wrong with that in your eyes. Evil in the world comes exclusively from the choices we make, regardless of whether there is some dark force that is influencing these decisions. Without human autonomy there is no evil. Bad things can happen in a purely cause-and-effect scenario, sure, but a branch falling on you and killing you is hardly described as evil. Oh and as for understanding what drives human decisionmaking I absolutely agree, there are things that sway and influence us and it is important to understand how they work. But in the end it is ultimately up to us to make a given choice. If we were considering pure determinism then again, it would make no difference whether I understood what lead me to this state or not, because ultimately I have no choice in what happens next+1
@henlofren7321 - 2023-06-24 13:36:10
@Assault_Butter_Knife I prefer to know what caused an evil event rather than just say "oh I guess someone just willed that lol" and move on. I'd like to identify criminals by their genetic code and not wait for them to "will" evil into existence.+1
@sparta117corza - 2024-10-24 13:36:10
And that is not all: even if man really were nothing but a piano-key, even if this were proved to him by natural science and mathematics, even then he would not become reasonable, but would purposely do something perverse out of simple ingratitude, simply to gain his point. And if he does not find means he will contrive destruction and chaos, will contrive sufferings of all sorts, only to gain his point! He will launch a curse upon the world, and as only man can curse (it is his privilege, the primary distinction between him and other animals), may be by his curse alone he will attain his object--that is, convince himself that he is a man and not a piano-key! If you say that all this, too, can be calculated and tabulated--chaos and darkness and curses, so that the mere possibility of calculating it all beforehand would stop it all, and reason would reassert itself, then man would purposely go mad in order to be rid of reason and gain his point!”+1
@resman4950 - 2023-06-24 13:36:10
I believe that everything is deterministic, but i don't care+1
@SIGSEGV1337 - 2023-06-24 13:36:10
Free will is theologically untenable, because it entails a lack of omnipotence on the part of God. You are responsible for your actions, but you are also powerless, destiny is out of your hands. Everything that has happened and that will happen has been determined and is known by God.+6
@hschan5976 - 2024-06-24 13:36:10
I don't disagree with you however youre just arguing from the point of what would be good, rather than how things actually work. Indeed its good to have the will to power. However the will to power itself is a result of chemical reactions in the brain too. It's the reason why ADHD meds work.+1
@mashpotato832 - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
5:43 - just be yourself man. You don't need to be someone you're not and hide the fact you spit.+1
@flanfre_skarlett - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
I'd love to have a little forest walk with Luke, just sharing philsophy and experience between one another+4
@desktorp - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
Reggie Edpill+2
@HeadakusMaximus - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
Have you ever talked to god by drinking snake venom like Jesus did?+1
@WillyWhompa - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
I think there is middle ground here. You can on a intellectual level know that "free will" is an illusion. The vast majority of the entity that is you and your circumstances are greatly out of your control. But at the same time, you can act AS IF we do have free will. This 1) Promotes an active engagement in reality and encourages morally informed decision making and 2) Promotes compassion for those who are less fortunate and/or unable to help themselves. Yes, I will have my cake and eat it too.+2
@supaflykai - 2024-10-24 13:36:11
Somewhere in the middle of the video you said you don't believe the world/universe etc is made up of atoms. Curious to what your belief on that matter is and why?+1
@zeevdrifter2707 - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
You only have free will when you choose to exercise it.+3
@YouRSmalltime - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
Shots fired Major key alert this is a big think, thanks for the quick run down.+1
@mcNakno - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
virgin nihilism vs chad Wu Wei+1
@frankprit3320 - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
God expects us to do our part, and job. Not living in our parents' basement forever with our mothers doing our laundry. 😂😂+1
@omer8141leo - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
Luke stop posting please im consooming too much+1
@SummaGuy-fp5ip - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
free avatar in the free server explains some free thoughts... this is brought to you by copeVPN; we don't want your data to go out to anyone, we own your data.+1
@briancomforti3890 - 2024-08-24 13:36:11
Reggie Edpill+1
@fdsfjhjtjtea6497 - 2024-06-24 13:36:11
Nah,+2
@towardsthelight220 - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
Freewill is a myth.+4
@alkeryn1700 - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
Thigns could be hard determinism even without mater or physicalism though. but all i know is that i don't know shit and i don't like the botnet. Though, even purely newtonian systems can behave non deterministacally, for ex look up Norton's Dome : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton%27s_dome also, hi D. K if you're here :).+1
@deleted01 - 2024-10-24 13:36:11
the piano key makes him not want to be a piano key+2
@mskiptr - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
I see no reason for free will to be incompatible with everything being determined. (let's assume that free will and God exist:) Our decisions (will) play out exactly according to our decisions. If you think that a future decision cannot be free if it's 'known' to someone, then think about the past. Past actions are already known, yet they were subject to free will. For an omniscient being (i.e. God) all of time is kinda like the past – assuming God is outside time. And omnipotence is even less of an issue. If God created people with free will, he would also refrain from interfering with our decisions – not because of a lack of omnipotence, but according to God's own will. This may seem like circular reasoning, but that's because I'm not trying to prove either. Instead, I want to show that this situation isn't contradictory.+2
@LukeSmithxyz - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
To say that God cannot create free will entails a lack of omnipotence on the part of God. Also, foreknowledge/predestination is not the same, in fact, as nothing to do with determinism/monergism other than the fact that people who don't think about it confuse them. God knows the future and has even predestined it. Your foreseen agency is a part of that.+2
@SIGSEGV1337 - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
@mskiptr It is not a matter of knowing, it is a matter of your existence requiring God to create you as a prerequisite, and being created entails everything that you will do because this is inseparable from who you are. What you are suggesting is that God can create something and choose not to have power over it, but this is not possible because omnipotence is a property of God and cannot have exceptions or else what we are describing is not in fact God.+1
@SIGSEGV1337 - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
@LukeSmithxyz "To say that God cannot create free will entails a lack of omnipotence on the part of God." This is like saying that the fact God cannot create a square circle entails a lack of omnipotence. Things that are logically incoherent are outside the scope of omnipotence. "God knows the future and has even predestined it. Your foreseen agency is a part of that." If my agency is willed then it is not free.+1
@mskiptr - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
@SIGSEGV1337 I won't give you a proof that free will is logically sound, but it definitely isn't contradictory with God's omnipotence and I hope I'll manage to show that: Let's say God creates a being with free will. You're saying that any being God creates, includes within itself all its future actions and thus these actions have to be chosen by God during creation. The incorrect part is imo the assumption that beings have their actions somehow ingrained within them. I know this is how you would probably model that in philosophy, heavily influenced by set theory, but it really assumes that beings can be described using precise, mathematical models. That last assumption is the crux of the matter here. If free will could be modeled like that, it wouldn't be free will. That is, if there was a set of laws 'free will' follows, and it could be described with probability, a deterministic finite automaton, a Turing machine, or any other mathematical model, it would just be equivalent to some new laws of physics. On a related note, my reasoning assumes there can be things you can't model mathematically; things that don't follow concrete rules. (otherwise everything's just physics btw) Notice this is different from logic itself not being correct. Oh, and the other thing: > What you are suggesting is that God can create something and choose not to have power over it No, you misunderstood me. God totally could violate our free will. (Then it wouldn't be free will anymore – because logic.) I was claiming that God chooses not to control us, and to let us act according to free will. Ironically, my argument here is best expressed with your own words. You're saying: > What you are suggesting is that God can create something and choose not to have power over it, but this is not possible because omnipotence is a property of God and cannot have exceptions or else what we are describing is not in fact God. and my response is: > This is like saying that the fact God cannot create a square circle entails a lack of omnipotence. Exactly. Free will by definition is not controlled by God. It would be logically unsound to claim that omnipotence only works within logic and that it still needs to control free will.+1
@SIGSEGV1337 - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
@mskiptr "The incorrect part is imo the assumption that beings have their actions somehow ingrained within them" If God has foreknowledge of the acts of the being to be created then the act of creating necessarily requires that all consequences are known beforehand, and if all consequences are known beforehand then God's intentionality when creating is also intentionality of the consequences. If this were not the case then it would be necessary for God to be less than omniscient, which would be blasphemy. "It would be logically unsound to claim that omnipotence only works within logic and that it still needs to control free will." No, you are conflating different types of impossibility. Omnipotence does in fact operate within logic, if this were not the case then we could justify any kind of blasphemous descriptions of God via the principle of explosion.+1
@mskiptr - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
@SIGSEGV1337 >> The incorrect part is imo the assumption that beings have their actions somehow ingrained within them I guess I didn't express myself here clearly enough. I meant that God, while creating someone isn't creating their behavior. Yes, the actions of this person are a result of God creating them and yes, God knows about any future actions this person will take. I thought you're arguing that these actions are part of this person's creation and thus God is 'engineering' them in a sense > and if all consequences are known beforehand then God's intentionality when creating is also intentionality of the consequences Yep. E.g. God created humans knowing they would sin. It doesn't mean God wanted us to sin. That's I guess a necessary consequence of free will. So do I understand you now? Your argument is that when creating a person, God knows what decisions this person will make. Thus, these actions are also part of God's creation and thus are not decisions taken by that person? Are you saying that: "If God didn't want these decisions, he wouldn't create this person" or "If God didn't want these decisions, he would create this person differently – such that they wouldn't make these decisions" or "When God creates a person, he knows all of the decisions they will make. Because of that, these decisions are picked by God" or something else. (these 'or's are not necessarily exclusive) > Omnipotence does in fact operate within logic, if this were not the case then we could justify any kind of blasphemous descriptions of God via the principle of explosion. No, no, no. You misunderstood me here. I wasn't claiming omnipotence needs be able to violate logic. I was claiming that "omnipotence needs to be able to control free will" is equivalent to "omnipotence can violate logic".+1
@SIGSEGV1337 - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
@mskiptr "I meant that God, while creating someone isn't creating their behavior" If God is the creator of all things, then he is also the creator of your behavor. "I thought you're arguing that these actions are part of this person's creation and thus God is 'engineering' them in a sense" No, what I'm arguing is that everything is predestined including your sins, and you do not have any power in and of yourself. You are nonetheless still accountable for your actions because that is the order that God has willed. "Your argument is that when creating a person, God knows what decisions this person will make. Thus, these actions are also part of God's creation and thus are not decisions taken by that person?" No. My argument is that the actions are part of God's creation, and the person making that decision is predestined to do so and they have no independent power to do otherwise. "God created humans knowing they would sin. It doesn't mean God wanted us to sin. That's I guess a necessary consequence of free will." You don't make a distinction between what God legislates and what God predestines, so this may be the source of confusion. My position is that God orders us to avoid sin, but He predestines that we will sin nonetheless. "I was claiming that "omnipotence needs to be able to control free will" is equivalent to "omnipotence can violate logic"." If omnipotence controlling free will violates logic, then you must necessarily agree that free will cannot exist, no?+1
@mskiptr - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
@SIGSEGV1337 > If God is the creator of all things, then he is also the creator of your behavor. Then is God a creator of sin? Is thus all of world's evil a God's fault? In a certain sense he did create everything, but God creating the universe or humans is very different from God creating evil in this world. > No, what I'm arguing is that everything is predestined including your sins, and you do not have any power in and of yourself. Yes, everything is known to God. The future is constant. But still, this doesn't negate free will. God let us choose for ourselves – even though he knew the outcome of that. > You are nonetheless still accountable for your actions because that is the order that God has willed. There's this approach in machine learning called genetic algorithms. You randomly create solutions to a problem, see how well they score and depending on that you weed some of them out and cross over the rest. What you're suggesting really sounds like that. As if God was playing a simulation game to find 'good' humans. This would really contradict him loving all of his creation. >> Your argument is that when creating a person, God knows what decisions this person will make. Thus, these actions are also part of God's creation and thus are not decisions taken by that person? > No. My argument is that the actions are part of God's creation, and the person making that decision is predestined to do so and they have no independent power to do otherwise. What's the difference here? > You don't make a distinction between what God legislates and what God predestines, so this may be the source of confusion. I'm not sure what exactly you mean by 'legislates' and 'predestines'. I'm not a native English speaker and only know the first word in legal contexts. Predestination is kinda an ambiguous term regardless of the language – at least in my experience. > If omnipotence controlling free will violates logic, then you must necessarily agree that free will cannot exist, no? No. Omnipotence doesn't control free will. Just like omnipotence can't make 1+1=1. It would violate definitions of 1 and +, together with logic. I mean, the way it could make 1+1=1 is by e.g. changing the meaning of the plus operator (like we sometimes do in group theory). Similarly, God could make us do things we didn't choose. Then it wouldn't be our will anymore. In other words, it's impossible for God to bend our decisions to his will and still call it our will at the same time – this would be against logic and the very nature of free will. It's not some defect in omnipotence, but that such description of this situation is contradictory and thus invalid. But yes, he can choose to control us or to let us decide ourselves. There's no issue with omnipotence nor with free will here.+1
@SIGSEGV1337 - 2023-06-24 13:36:11
@mskiptr "Then is God a creator of sin? Is thus all of world's evil a God's fault?" These are two different questions. God created all things, but He is not questioned, we are what is tested and what will be questioned, so we do not attribute fault to Him. If God were not the creator of both the evil actions and the good actions then this would amount to ditheism which is blasphemy. "God let us choose for ourselves – even though he knew the outcome of that." It is not mere knowledge of the outcome, since your choosing is also predestined. "What you're suggesting really sounds like that. As if God was playing a simulation game to find 'good' humans." I would shy away from making definitive conclusions about the end to which this is done, but it is certainly the case that there is a resemblance. "This would really contradict him loving all of his creation." God does not love all of His creation. He loves good and good people, and hates evil and evil people. An all-loving God is not compatible with the concept of hell, and this idea has clear evidence in Christian scripture such as Psalms 5, and elsewhere. "What's the difference here?" The difference is that in your statement you say that the person does not make a decision. I agree that they make a decision, I just say that their deciding is predestined not free. "I'm not sure what exactly you mean by 'legislates' and 'predestines'. I'm not a native English speaker and only know the first word in legal contexts. Predestination is kinda an ambiguous term regardless of the language – at least in my experience." To use a chess analogy: Legislation is the criteria for winning, destiny is the move list. "Similarly, God could make us do things we didn't choose. Then it wouldn't be our will anymore." Will that is not free is still will, because the action and decision is attributable to you and you bear responsibility for it. You are aware of the fact that you decide things, this does not mean that you would have ever been able to decide otherwise.+1
@deleted01 - 2024-10-24 13:36:11
He copes with religion+2
@thesmokecriminal5395 - 2024-11-24 13:36:11
@deleted01 you have got some big brains bud+2
@kirglow4639 - 2024-12-24 13:36:11
He probably thinks soul and God are immaterial, without realizing "material" just means "everything that exists". The reason "material" means that is because if the science was to ever discover new substances that exist, they would just redefine the word "material" to include it+1
@SummaGuy-fp5ip - 2023-06-24 13:36:12
This was appreciated. You got me back into Christianity and appreciation of family. Thanks, Luke.+1
@altEFG - 2023-06-24 13:36:12
Luke! I am consuming so much of your content, I am going to overdose! Also, you don't upload to PeerTube, shame.+1
@InfoDisco - 2023-06-24 13:36:12
Your argument that those with Calvinistic theology are doomed to an apathetic fatalism is (imho) probably based more on your subjective experience with Calvinists than the very theological stance itself. Truly educated Calvinism shouldn't/doesn't reach a fatalistic conclusion- you wont find this position held by any of the greats of reformed Theology. RC Sproul could be considered one of the best reformed theologians of our time, yet he espoused the importance of prayer HEAVILY. I have no doubt that you've come across some poor stewards of Calvinism, but please don't equate them with the argument. Certainly there is no lack of Arminians who represent our faith poorly. While I don't expressly consider myself a Calvinist, there is ample scripture in clear support of the Calvinist argument- enough that it cannot be easily swept under the rug. Again, it is a mistake to believe that this somehow alleviates us of agency, responsibility, or experiential choice.+1
@tyloniussquib4000 - 2023-06-24 13:36:12
At first I read this as the red pill on free wifi+1
@vvill-ga - 2023-06-24 13:36:12
This video was sponsored by Knight ETF Trading+1
@Swenthorian - 2023-06-24 13:36:12
I actually think free will (or something that is effectively free will) emerges from a mixture of determinism and stochasticism. I guess think of it like this: everything is cause and effect, right? So it's only logical that you are going to act X way in response to Y stimuli (barring some random chance for you to do something else). But it's not that you have no action or agency in this -- it's that the decision you make is predictable. But you're still making that decision, still choosing the path you take. Being predictable does not make it not free will -- and all determinism really says, is that outcomes are predictable if you know the inputs. If you throw a treat, your dog is going to go after it. Not because of some cosmic conspiracy or universal puppet master pulling the strings; but because the dog wants to go after the treat. Predictable, but freely done.+4
@normalvideos999 - 2023-06-24 13:36:12
Where can I get REDGY ED PILLS?+1
@shiftybroccoli8891 - 2023-06-24 13:36:12
Do not tempt the Lord your God. - King Jesus to Satan.+1
@TheLazyLemmon - 2023-06-24 13:36:12
Christcel+1
@davidporterrealestate - 2023-06-24 13:36:12
I like it, don’t take the redgie pill+1
@dj3904 - 2023-06-24 13:36:12
A Reggie Ed-pill indeed+1
@Meleeman011 - 2023-06-24 13:36:12
you live long enough, you'll realize you don't have much autonomy. god believer or not. i think you're annoyed with differing levels of cynicism and how people use it to justify things they could possibly control if they had the desire to, motivation to. the things which we desire don't always line up with our bodies, and minds way of thinking, we are conscious of ways to reprogram our wetware but we don't. I think most sane people agree there are things we can and cannot control, and its our duty to test those limits, we should be so courageous.+1
@PViolety - 2023-06-24 13:36:12
Nice.+2
@Drav272 - 2023-06-24 13:36:12
"REEEEE GOD DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!" -Luke Smith+4
@GameSmilexD - 2023-06-24 13:36:12
just tell urself a story that makes u happy the rest is useless paradoxical phylosophy+1
@GustavoMsTrashCan - 2023-06-24 13:36:12
> "God is a moralism way to make you a slave!" > while chugging drugs and doing other mental-slavery-related hobbies+1
@kekag - 2023-06-24 13:36:12
Reggie Edpil+1
@xzerox200922 - 2023-06-24 13:36:12
it's amazing how just as thick as a hair the difference of a believer and a non-believer وَدَّ كَثِيرٌ مِّنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ لَوْ يَرُدُّونَكُم مِّن بَعْدِ إِيمَانِكُمْ كُفَّارًا حَسَدًا مِّنْ عِندِ أَنفُسِهِم مِّن بَعْدِ مَا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُمُ الْحَقُّ ۖ فَاعْفُوا وَاصْفَحُوا حَتَّىٰ يَأْتِيَ اللَّهُ بِأَمْرِهِ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ ﴿١٠٩ البقرة﴾ Al Baqarah 109 (2:109) Out of sheer envy many People of the Book would be glad to turn you back into unbelievers after you have become believers even though the Truth has become clear to them. Nevertheless, forgive and be indulgent111 towards them until Allah brings forth His decision.+1
@frankprit3320 - 2023-06-24 13:36:12
God expects us to do our part, and job. Not living in our parents' basement forever with our mothers doing our laundry. 😂😂+1
@6f859 - 2023-06-24 13:36:12
I'm a dude that goes against the chains that bind me And rather do as my Will demands rather than ever bending for someone else Of course that my say has power, but when I have "superiors" that claim over my right to have my will respected, it's hard to do much without Actual power, such as.....you guessed it, Money+1
@hankhill- - 2024-10-24 13:36:12
Automatons react+1
@fsmoura - 2023-06-24 13:36:13
talk to ed+1
@infinite1483 - 2023-06-24 13:36:13
thats a stretch lmao+1
@alessandrorossi1294 - 2023-06-24 13:36:13
This video sponsored by Knight ETF Trading+1
@nekomikumata - 2023-06-24 13:36:13
The universe is not predetermined. That doesn't mean that god exists or that the fact that the universe is not predetermined is a "checkmate, atheists!" moment. The entire idea behind a predetermined universe is actually absurd and has no basis in reality or the scientific method. "I observe two chemicals and they have reactions, therefore, the entire universe must be an unstoppable chain reaction that cannot be influenced in any way." This idea is incompatible with our basic understanding of voluntary actions and how the brain works. Your brain is literally programmed to adjust and adapt to situations on the fly. Even if you were predetermined to fail, you naturally would make the necessary adjustments and use the experience to adjust internal values to then succeed given the same stimuli. You may not be able to choose whether you like or dislike certain foods based on the chemical interaction that happens in your mouth, that goes all the way to the brain, but you still have the free will to make the decision. Even something like an artificial intelligence is not predetermined. You can't know everything, you're not supposed to. But that doesn't mean that you don't have an influence on the variables in those equations. The real issue here is not "science." It's the fact that people appeal to higher powers to explain things that they don't understand. Even if I were to explain to a determinist that I have the choice to not be a criminal, their response would be to appeal to the higher power. "W-Well, actually you didn't have a choice b-because it was inevitable by the chemical reactions that you would choose not to be a criminal!" The very same logic used by evangelist christians when they say that being gay is wrong. They appeal to higher powers or authorities that they don't understand to try to justify their own beliefs. Those beliefs actually come from the ego and not from a logical, rational belief that was formed from observation, research, experimentation, and analysis of the results. It's actually edgier and cringier to use determinism as proof of god's existence, since god's existence by it's very nature requires that the universe be deterministic, because god ultimately has a plan that must be followed and you were created with that plan in mind, people die, suffer, succeed, abuse and exploit others all according to his plan, because he is responsible for creating them. Even if you had free will, god would still be responsible because he is the one that knew of your existence before you were even created, and he decided to create you anyway, even if indirectly. He is omniscient, knows everything that will happen in the future, MEANING that it is predetermined. If god is omniscient, the universe MUST be predetermined. Even if you were to take a branching paths argument and go the route of "Well, god actually knows every single branching path possible and has a plan to deal with each and every microreaction in the universe because god is beyond the multiverse!" Then what is the point of having free will if it eventually all means nothing because the universe is fated to one destiny only? I would rather believe that my destiny is the fate that I chose for myself and that my actions are not a part of some god's malingering. This cringy "good goy, science!!!!" viewpoint is something only terminally online internet addicts believe in. Normal, well adjusted people don't just "believe" in things. People should have personal responsibility and take it upon themselves to enact their free will to improve themselves and try to move beyond mediocrity instead of just wallowing in their self pity, but it has nothing to do with god or science. What you've actually highlighted is the fact that fanatics of any kind of belief system are insane and use their world views to justify their imperfections.+1
@dandrechesterfield5411 - 2023-06-24 13:36:13
Eat your kimchi folks+1
@hineko_ - 2023-06-24 13:36:13
People I hate the most is probably christians who say something like: "Dude don't you know the 2nd coming is near and we need to speed it up by helping the jays"+2
@buddy.boyo88 - 2023-06-24 13:36:13
I used to be a ortho-christian like Luke. and I realized that I don't have free will when I read in the bible that the most important rule is to love god with all your strength, mind etc. I can't make myself love anyone, anymore than I can make myself love a lemon. love is an emotion and I can't produce emotions. emotions happen spontaneously and involuntarily . So if god wants me to love him He has make me love him. it's completely up to him . only he can create emotions, not humans.+2
@Bit-while_going - 2023-06-24 13:36:13
I think it's pretty hard to deny free will and the way it's usually done is by claiming that free will is what you have to choose. You don't have to choose it. You do have to choose to be determined. When you concede that free will is something you have to choose, you also leave open the possibility that you don't, and then they can get you to repress. They guilt you into it, so it's better to be clear: free will is the axiom, and determination is the choice.+1
@HorrorShorts1000 - 2024-07-24 13:36:13
😂 I've read some of the dumbest comments here I've ever read in my life. If you believe in determinism, you accept that you don't have a choice. You're not even accepting anything though, because you don't actually exist as an entity that has any agency. At most, you're an observer watching a light show. It's a totally passive experience. It's like watching a movie. You don't even have the option to turn the movie off. Beyond that, everything that you feel as though you're experiencing is an illusion as well. All of these observations you think that you're making are not your observations. You guys don't get it at all. That includes the author of this video. Oh, and if you believe that there exists some uncertainty, look into retrocausality.+1
@ryanxaiken - 2023-06-24 13:36:13
reggie pill'd chad+1
@Juan_Duran - 2023-06-24 13:36:13
Calvinists and Armenians in either extremes are both bad. However Calvinists are more right >:D+1
@Tarik360 - 2023-06-24 13:36:13
The longer version of Mickey's "Hypocrite that you are" speech.+1
@marusdod3685 - 2023-06-24 13:36:13
not technology related. post Linux content. NOW+1
@ms-fk6eb - 2023-06-24 13:36:13
enjoy exercising your free will when you're on drugs lol+2
@bsatyam - 2023-06-24 13:36:13
It doesn't really matter what's the truth, right? I highly doubt it's something we can conclusively know. It's all about whether WE believe we have free will or not. It's always better to believe we do.+6
@the-cuteaxe - 2025-03-24 13:36:13
god is a big claim with so little evidence to prove his existence and i think we do have control over our actions although our actions is a result of a internal and external influences+1
@OmegaMusicYT - 2023-06-24 13:36:13
Man blames people for choosing the belief that choices do not exist.+3
@rkdeshdeepak4131 - 2023-06-24 13:36:13
Get a wife+3
@fsmoura - 2023-06-24 13:36:13
10:10 F—k! Luke's Basilisk! He'll retrocausally bully me if I don't do what he says f—k f—k f—k f—k REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ( oДo)+1
@sumofalln00bs10 - 2023-06-24 13:36:13
motivated reasoning, how sad.+1
@haides002 - 2023-06-24 13:36:13
Even if you don't technical have a free will it just does not matter. It doesn't change anything.+1
@pacofear6026 - 2023-06-24 13:36:13
Reggie Edpil+1
@classicpinball9873 - 2023-06-24 13:36:14
I ask myself “what would the world look like if things were deterministic?” And “what would the world look like if things weren’t deterministic?” And I find myself arriving at the same conclusions regardless, in either case you aren’t really getting anywhere because nothings been proven. If it is, people still have problems they ought to work through and if it isn’t those same problems still exists and they ought to be worked on as well. In a sense it’s a meaningless question since you aren’t getting anywhere with it+1
@tv-pp - 2023-06-24 13:36:14
why+1
@LukeSmithxyz - 2023-06-24 13:36:15
Love is not an emotion.+3
@buddy.boyo88 - 2023-06-24 13:36:15
@LukeSmithxyz it's not ??! can you give me the quick rundown ?+2
@LukeSmithxyz - 2023-06-24 13:36:15
Love is a divine energy, but that's not relevant to what you say here. You seem to think love is the passion felt of it. Passion (Lat < pati, "undergo") is by definition something imposed on us from flesh or externals. To act in love might be painful or boring. Christian life is learning to chose good cooperating with God's grace regardless of the passions that nudge us to do otherwise. This is directly opposed to the Lutheran "gospel" of "I'm a donkey which either God or the devil can bridal and ride whenever they want." If you were properly catechized as Orthodox you would know this.+2
@buddy.boyo88 - 2023-06-24 13:36:15
@LukeSmithxyz being christian was painful and boring indeed, why doesn't the church coin a new word to clear up the confusion? why call it love? if that's what theologians mean by love then yes, it's completely different from the regular human love. just call it something else like "toil" or "servitude"+2
@buddy.boyo88 - 2023-06-24 13:36:15
@LukeSmithxyz if love is a divine energy then we can't produce it. it has to be implanted or imputed unilaterally by god. so I think we are back to calvinism and my first point.+2
@buddy.boyo88 - 2023-06-24 13:36:15
@LukeSmithxyz so you are a calvinist after all ! if love is a divine energy only god can make you do it. there is nothing you can do but be a passive recipient+2
@tv-pp - 2023-06-24 13:36:15
wym+2
@ms-fk6eb - 2023-06-24 13:36:15
@tv-pp you don't have much control over your brain/actions then, how do you square that with supposed free will?+2
@optislav - 2023-06-24 13:36:16
No, believing in free will means that we should punish criminals, not just isolate them. And if there is no free will, it will be evil to punish someone for his "decisions" that is just chain reaction.+3
@andreirachko - 2024-06-24 13:36:16
You still haven't given a single argument against hard determinism - or, for that matter, in support of your claim that it's somehow a bad worldview. Accepting hard determinism has been an overwhelmingly positive experience for me; it has effectively cured years of self-blaming and freed me from a lot of toxicity, improved my social life and my outlook on the world in general. I won't claim it's the single best worldview out there, but I am yet to be disillusioned with it. This video did nothing in that regard.+4
@drumitar - 2023-06-24 13:36:16
youtube hides your videos from me, glad i thought to see what luke was up to today.+1
@Pooles1738 - 2023-06-24 13:36:16
I haven't seen the new sv3rige video on free will yet. (Because It's behind a paywall)+3
@M65V19 - 2023-06-24 13:36:16
WOW! I AM FIRST UNDER AWESOME AWESOME LUKE's VIDEO!+2
@artdoeslofistuff - 2023-06-24 13:36:16
Can't you believe both tho? As in both believe that everything is matter (particles and stuff) but as you are your brain you are in full control of what you do, you have free will as everything you (as a brain) decide to do can't be fully determined due to the quantum probabilistic nature of it all. As a "demon" that knows all that you're about to do would be impossible, you essentially do have free will, just not as a higher spiritual being in your body but you as your brain.+1
@Miculjka - 2023-06-24 13:36:16
Free will is an oxymoron+4
@ThriftyCHNR - 2024-07-24 13:36:16
1. Saying that not believing in free will is demotivating is not a arguing point, but a coping mechanism. 2. Luke's points absurdly don't take into consideration brain chemistry. Neuroscience very much proves that decisions are already made in the brain before the action takes place. Everything is environmental stimulus meeting physiology. There is no other competing evidence. 3. In the later part of the video on influencing others, this is an illusion. The truth is, if you feel compelled/enlightened enough to speak or take action, to "affect" the world, then that is already factored in to the equation. There is no choice, only options. Ability is limited by the body. What you "choose" to do is within a set range. 4. This video is ultimately a personal prayer/affirmation of faith, and is blue pilled.+2
@spaceghost0813 - 2023-06-24 13:36:16
Our alien creators and overlords just designed us to think that we are self-determinant to appease us so that we can produce lots of delicious zeta brain waves that they will harvest when we die.+1
@roarbertbearatheon8565 - 2023-06-24 13:36:16
Reggie and EdPilled as fuck post brother+1
@tj-co9go - 2023-06-24 13:36:16
Well, it is a sort of dilemma If there is no free will, anything you think or do doesn't matter anyway and it is predetermined But if there is one, not using it is the stupidest thing you can do, I guess+1
@eimsbush05 - 2023-06-24 13:36:16
Holocough... lol.+1
@thattimestampguy - 2023-06-24 13:36:16
0:00 Atoms and Matter (Adam and Life Has Purpose, Personal Love and Intention, Big Bang can’t account for that) 3:17 4:09 Buddy says “I’m gonna leave it in God’s hands.” That would be the right attitude in a domain that he had no control over, but there is a reason you have control (and volition to fix a problem you are prepared to fix.) 4:57 Don’t use God as an excuse to not be responsible! 5:33 Don’t produce the Fatalistic/Calvinistic Apathy within your life, heart and soul 6:26 (Own what you are able to help make better.) have some discernment of when to act and when to not act. 7:16 “things get easier the more you stand up for yourself.” 8:57 Luke put off the idea of a YouTube channel off for a bit before starting it. It required work, it got easier. 9:54 Robot 🤖 Take Your Orders Automaton 10:29 You exist for a reason.+1
@Le-Toad - 2024-06-24 13:36:16
lol+3
@jaca2899 - 2023-06-24 13:36:16
"redgy ed pill" is a great example of methatesis+1
@daveinthemicrowave - 2023-06-24 13:36:16
"Every thing is predetermined so everything is pointless" vs "Everything is predetermined so I must work hard because I'm destined for success and happiness"+5
@Vlfkfnejisjejrjtjrie - 2023-06-24 13:36:16
Reggie-pilled.+2
@mhmdbulaix - 2024-06-24 13:36:16
Determinism is not only a cope for mediocrity but most importantly sins. People who are too weak-minded to repent start justifying their horrible behavior by claiming that it was all pre-destined by God and that they have no say in the matter! Lying wimps!+1
@noneyourb172 - 2023-06-24 13:36:16
Christopher Hitchens when asked whether he believed in free will replied: Yes I have free will; I have no choice but to have it.+1
@albertpiekarski4569 - 2023-06-24 13:36:16
" Woah bro you actually like don't even really like exist because you don't like actually have a free will over your own life you're just like a robot dude you're just like a robot who's like there for a ride you can perceive what's going on like you feel it but you're not really in control man. " Lmao, I sure would become friends with young redpilled Luke if I had a chance.+3
@rellort4362 - 2023-06-24 13:36:16
I came to this conclusion some years ago as well, and honestly it's kinda annoying you sometimes have to sort of ''reassure'' yourself cause if you go to deep into this whole idea it just kinda kills you? like you lose interest in anything and everything and just move forward with the flow instead of doing anything for yourself, the nihilism will eat away at you if you let it+1
@henlofren7321 - 2024-06-24 13:36:16
How can one even have pattern recognition if they don't intuitively accept determinism? If everything is simply the unconstrained will of someone else, you cannot draw any conclusions from their actions. Only when their will is absolutely contained do patterns start to appear, and you will feel FREER by recognizing and taking advantage of them. Luke recognized how city dwellers were trash, but how can he justify leaving the city if it's just their unconstrained will at the moment? How does he know that the rural folks won't use their "free will" in the same way? How can he assume that the will of the city people won't reach him there? He KNOWS that their will isn't truly free, that's how! This whole "free will" debate is just people coping with the fact that their hard work and success had nothing to do with their self-directed actions. They were just fortunate enough to be born in the right family to have the right combination of genes that outperform the rest. I guarantee you that this video created a bunch of Indian drones who will NEVER reach Luke's level but will waste their life trying, all while blaming themselves for not understanding what comes so simple to him.+3
@andreirachko - 2024-06-24 13:36:16
@henlofren7321 💯 Free will is a myth, and it would do humanity a lot of good to collectively realize and accept that.+6
@PhunkMasterFlex - 2024-06-24 13:36:16
@andreirachko That's such a bad cope. Just because you can't handle reality, doesn't mean that free will is fake.+1
@aladdin5286 - 2024-06-24 13:36:16
@andreirachko Using all the free will in my body to call you gay rn+2
@andreirachko - 2024-06-24 13:36:16
@PhunkMasterFlex if you're still clinging on to the fairytale about "free will" to cope with reality and its problems, that's on you. Wishing you all the best in your journey to a wider understanding~+3
@andreirachko - 2024-06-24 13:36:16
@aladdin5286 and if I am?+2
@tv-pp - 2023-06-24 13:36:17
wym+2
@Miculjka - 2023-06-24 13:36:17
@tv-pp To will something is to be a slave to that will (your mind convinces you that your happiness depends on that will coming true). True freedom emerges only when there is no will, or when it is transcended, and true happiness only comes, and is, within, completely free from any external urges/objects of will+2
@henlofren7321 - 2024-06-24 13:36:19
God cannot be all knowing without knowing how you'll act throughout your life. If God knows how you'll act, you don't really have a choice in your actions even though you feel as if you do. Some people are just predetermined to sin more than others, and others are predetermined for mediocrity. You don't even have to believe in God to recognize that your abilities and weaknesses are due to your genome and environment, neither of which you had any control over. Can you choose not to sleep until you die of old age? Can you choose to ignore gravity? Can you choose to stop breathing without external assistance? Can you choose to solve a millennial prize problem while you're in a coma? Your will is obviously not free by any definition of the word "free". Anyone using determinism as an excuse for their sins would still be sinning even if they were never introduced to the concept, and they would still get punished... deterministically.+1
@kirglow4639 - 2024-12-24 13:36:19
There is no such thing as sin. It's all in your imagination, and it's completely freeing when you realize there is no such thing in reality+1
@iTzHard_ - 2023-06-24 13:36:20
Thoughts on psychedelics?+5
@Berxy - 2023-06-24 13:36:20
Pineapple gang+1
@skoob1337 - 2023-06-24 13:36:20
FIRST BABY!+2
@sil3337 - 2023-06-24 13:36:20
I just opened yt and it is 1 min old WTF+1
@artistforthefaith9571 - 2023-06-24 13:36:20
A lot of the deterministic crowd is getting salty. You either have a choice or you don't, If you don't then you have no point in working hard or being moral. There is no getting around this very simple dilemma.+1
@HADESCROUNS - 2023-06-24 13:36:20
First ohahahah+2
@Iakovos37 - 2023-06-24 13:36:20
First?+2
@j.johnson2190 - 2023-06-24 13:36:20
The biggest proof for free will is that everyone at all times in every place behaved as if it were real+1
@vla-pu - 2025-05-24 13:36:20
This video sucks.+1
@sanjacobs6261 - 2023-06-24 13:36:20
Choices are being made, but they're being made based on your previous experiences. Determinism ain't that deep fam.+1
@artistforthefaith9571 - 2023-06-24 13:36:20
@sanjacobs6261 People can go against their previous experience, happens all the time. An addict can relapse knowing full well they shouldn't be doing it, still happens. Determinism is a cheap ideology, wallow in self pity about your lot in life or follow what's good regardless of your current mood. The choice is always there.+1
@sanjacobs6261 - 2023-06-24 13:36:20
@artistforthefaith9571 An addict relapsing is still acting based on previous experience. If they hadn't had the experience of taking the drug to begin with, they wouldn't have gone back to it. Determinism is completely separate from any idea about "wallowing in self pity". There is no moral judgement or conclusion to be had from determinism at all. If you wallow in self pity, it's because you're pathetic, if you do something about it, it's because you're skilled and motivated. In both cases there is a "because". That's all determinism means. There is a "because".+1
@sanjacobs6261 - 2023-06-24 13:36:20
@artistforthefaith9571 "If you wallow in self pity, it's because you're pathetic" does not derive from determinism. It derives from my moral judgements of people. "Their previous experience made them give up, they were determined to give up right from the start." They're still responsible for giving up. "Having a poor start does not guarantee a poor finish, you can rise above your base desires or give in." I agree. If we want people not to give up, and we want people to rise above, then we need to shame them for being pathetic. The importance of moral judgements of people's actions are don't change because of a deterministic worldview.+1
@artistforthefaith9571 - 2023-06-24 13:36:20
@sanjacobs6261 I'm gonna say agree to disagree. Fighting on this front isn't going yield the results that I want to see. I wish you the best, God bless.+1
@sanjacobs6261 - 2023-06-24 13:36:20
@artistforthefaith9571 I don't really see much we disagree about, honestly. You too, God bless :)+1